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The Death of Brian Jones
The Wild and Wycked
World of Brian Jones
Message 1 - Tuesday 26th October 2004
Hello Brian fans,
I found the article from the Daily Mail very
interesting, the picture of actor Leo Gregory wearing the shirt that
resembles an American flag (modelled after Brian's shirt) & playing a
Gibson J-200 acoustic guitar is so cool! Trevor - I think it's so great
that the film is finally rolling (no pun intended!) & that Woolley
talked to two women - WOW! I definitely hope that Woolley's 10 years of
research & efforts will prompt a new investigation to be started again
into finding what really happened in Brian's last days & death. Is there
any truth that the film will be a wide release? Leo - you are so lucky
to be playing Brian who is a legend! Please give the best performance of
your career as to honor Brian's legacy & memory & as you're playing
Brian - LIVE IT as he did with his musical genius - it will definitely
come back to you in boosting your acting career. Miss U - the Keylock
petition post thing was very interesting. The book by Terry Rawlins - is
that the "Who killed Christopher Robin?" book?. Thanks for your
correspondence Miss U. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 2 - Tuesday 26th October 2004
I am looking forward to see Leo Gregory portray
Brian Jones, during his last days. The picture above is an unusual
resemblance to Brian but the shirt, and guitar are cool! I have no idea
what Mr. Gregory means by losing his masculinity, Brian never lost any
of his. I hope Mr. Gregory will give this performance his very best, so
Brian's legacy will always live on, and his devoted fans can finally
learn the truth.
Linda Zerr
Message 3 - Tuesday 26th October 2004
Hmm....I do wonder how accurate their facts are
when the Daily Mail can't even get the correct spelling of Frank's name.
It was THOROGOOD not Thoroughgood. Many a court case has been lost over
such errors!
Mark
Message 4 - Tuesday 26th October 2004
When I first saw this photo, I did a double
take....I think Leo makes a good Brian in the above photo, but maybe too
tanned or missing the "weary" look. A good semblance nonetheless. Will
have to wait to see the film. Leo Gregory would be an unknown actor if
not for this role-- I'm sure he must know that. That said, I think
people are over reacting to his comment about losing some of his
masculinity for the role....it may have been said jokingly. Brian was a
dandy!! A mix of tuffness meets cherub. And I love that in him. He wore
makeup, costume jewellery, scarves, silk blouses. Remember how much
Brian got a kick out of dressing in drag down at the pub and the
bartender's reaction:
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/hotstuff/images/in_drag.jpg
Brian pushed the boundaries of the definition of
"masculinity" and flouted convention in the swinging sixties..... which
these days has gone back to the conventional idea of masculinity. In
fact the whole band wasn't so macho.
P.S: Yes Kevin that's the book.
More thoughts on the investigation:
#109 you made some excellent points....the facts
must be considered. But the autopsy was so vague that the facts in it
can be misleading. Was the autopsy covered up in some way, and if so who
had the power to do that? How far do Keylock's or Klein's connections go
in the police? Circumstantial evidence and motive also must be
considered, and when we take all these elements together it's highly
suspicious. I think you confused Anna (his girlfriend) with Janet Lawson
(the nurse and Keylock's mistress). I wouldn't be surprised if Janet
Lawson played a direct role in his manner of death, among others.
I've always thought that the inconsistency in the
witnesses' version of events that night indicates it wasn't well planned
out in advance.....maybe it was planned but not necessarily to happen
when or how it did...things may have been brought to a head sooner. And
why were floodlights installed above the pool?? Who had the
motive....several people had motives, maybe that's the problem.
Miss U.
Message 5 - Wednesday 27th October 2004
Well that pic is awfully exciting, but I'm going to
try and not get my hopes up so as not to be too let down and
disappointed if the film is shit, and too fabricated...Two women and
Woolley doesn't let on? Well whoever they are they are probably lying.
If Tom Keylock is involved there's at least a partical fiction going on,
and that's just the-way - it-is with that guy.
Linda Z.. you are too right! Brian never lost any
of his masculinity no matter how frilly the shirt! But then we can't
blame Leo for being normal and not being able to pull girls the way
Brian did...The dude just obviously cannot relate!
Hahahah... The girl looks lovely.. what kind of
name is that?
Novotny is a Russian or Czech MALE version of the
FEMALE Novotonova... She's probably a Swede with Russian or Czech
ancestry... And the Swedish article photograph! That is not Anna... It
is most likely Anita, and if it is not Anita, it is Suki Poitier.. If it
is Spring 1967 it's Suki, if it's Fall '66, it's Anita.
Roxanne
Message 6 - Wednesday 27th October 2004
I am excited about the film even though I know
it'll be all wrong.
Compare Leo's pic above to these:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v366/MizzGomper/Brian
Jones/?action=view¤t=593eddc1.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v366/MizzGomper/Brian
Jones/?action=view¤t=eb7a622a.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v366/MizzGomper/Brian
Jones/?action=view¤t=97f37fce.jpg
Miss U.
Message 7 - Friday 29th October 2004
Police sometimes use clairvoyants to help in an
investigation. I know it sounds far out but if you have an open mind it
may help in this investigation, after all Brian believed in the
afterlife.
Name withheld
Message 8 - Tuesday 2nd November 2004
Been gone for a while and loved catching up on
everyone's posts. I was wondering. I've read that Anna had trouble
retrieving Brians body from the bottom of the pool. In other unrelated
places I've heard that dead bodies float on top of the water.Does anyone
understand this and could you explain it please? I don't get it. Love
that pic of Leo as Brian. I hope he captures Brians soft-spoken
elegance. I never thought of Brian as feminine. Quite the opposite. I
look at Brian as someone who's masculinity was not threatened by his
choice of clothing or makeup. A real trendsetter. Not a follower, but a
leader of the times. I'm an enormous John Lennon fan. I did visit
Strawberry Fields on his B-day, however I was in NY on business, not as
a stalker.
Erin
Message 9 - Wednesday 3rd November 2004
Hello Brian fans,
Yes it's written that Brian believed in the
afterlife & stuff like that and it's true that police have used
clairvoyants to figure out mysterious deaths - maybe they could have
Silvia Brown the famous psychic contact Brian? About Leo losing his
masculinity to play Brian? Maybe it was meant as just a joke? Miss U -
you're right that these days have gone back to the conventional ideal of
masculinity. Shorter hair on a guy seems to be more accepted as being
more masculine today but longer hair is usually accepted especially if
you're a musician - Guitar Player in a rock band! Young guys (between
the ages 15-20's) playing in bands seem to like & wear their hair in the
style like that of the mod look of the 60's( 65-67).Brian certainly
didn't look un-masculine or anything like that - he looked cool & got
the women! Anytime a guy looks cool with long hair people are so jealous
& try to call em sissy's or silly stuff like that! Brian wasn't a sissy
or passive either (Brian was sensitive) - two guys tried to pickup on
Suki while She & Brian were vacationing in Europe & Brian layed out both
guys (beat em up) by himself! & Suki said that everyone would be very
impressed to see Brian stick up for her like that - she was so proud of
Brian! Roxanne - that's Suki with Brian in the pic from the article on
the Swedish actress who's playing Anna. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 10 - Wednesday 3rd November 2004
Kevin - you're right. That picture is definitely of
Suki and Brian. I've seen that picture several times before. Much larger
and without being cropped like that. She and Anita looked very similar.
Have they cast anyone as Mick yet? I haven't read that anywhere. I did
read that Anita has been cast. I just can't wait to see this movie!
Erin
Message 11 - Thursday 4th November 2004
Hello Brian fans,
Erin - I like how you say that you hope that Leo
captures Brian's "SOFT SPOKEN ELEGANCE" - such lovely words! - that is
so cool for you to say that! I myself am soft spoken & quiet natured too
so that made me feel cooler! And yes Brian was definitely a trend setter
& a leader of the times - It's no wonder Jimi Hendrix & Brian were
friends! they were & will always be the remembered as ahead of their
time! That is cool that you're a big Lennon fan also Erin. It's been
said that Brian was floating in the middle of the pool between the
bottom & surface? Any views about does a dead body float on the surface
of the water would be interesting. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 12 - Friday 5th November 2004
Hi. Miss U, I noticed that you mentioned that you
are excited about the movie even though you know it will be all wrong.
I'm not knocking your opinion at all, but I'm just wondering how can any
of us, unless we were there, say that it is all wrong? Obviously, there
must be filler to cover whatever is missing. So I guess in that way I do
understand your comment. However, based on the differences in the
explanations of the people who were there, how would we know what to
believe? I wish to God that we could say for sure that "This person is
obviously telling the truth. The others accounts of what happened are
rubbish." This is a large part of the tragedy of Brian's life. Not the
only tragedy. But a very, very huge one. I remember being told as as
child that there is no such thing as "fair." I think Brian's life is a
perfect example of this. And Kevin, his soft spoken elegance as I
mentioned earlier, I'm glad you agreed. That quality should not be taken
as a feminine quality or weakness ever. I feel it is a great gift to be
able to observe, take everything in, and then voice one's opinion,
eloquently. Most people want to spout off just to be heard. I think
Brian was a very worldly person. Worldly way beyond his years. Who can
ever say just how much we've been denied by the loss of Brian in this
world?
Erin
Message 13 - Friday 5th November 2004
I know I just posted. But then I re-read some of
the newer posts. I am not at all knowledgeable about bodies floating or
sinking. I apologize in advance if I'm being too graphic or offending
anyone. My husband is from NY. I remember him telling me a story once
about how he was out on a fishing boat and they found a dead body
floating and called the authorities. Again, I apologize for being so
graphic. But I know I've read somewhere that Anna couldn't pull him off
the bottom herself and had to surface and then go back down again. She
then got him half way up when finally Tom Keylock jumped in and helped
her. Prior to that he and and Janet just stood on the side of the pool
watching. I have all these accounts in my head, I need to research in my
books so I can tell you where I've read them. But then again, as we all
know, everyone's story is different.
Erin
Message 14 - Friday 5th November 2004
Talk about beating the topic to death just to have
the last word. People are taking Brian's 'masculinity' WAY more
seriously than Brian ever did, likely due to their own issues phobias or
insecurities. Who gives a shit what Leo thinks. Brian was secure in his
manhood with or without the feminine digs. Appearance is one thing,
behavior another.
Anonymous
Message 15 - Saturday 6th November 2004
Me and Mr Jones
Will Hodgkinson went along to the set of a new film
about the short, tragic life of Brian Jones - and found himself in it
Wednesday November 3, 2004
The Guardian
Stephen Woolley has spent the past 10 years
preparing to direct a film about the short, glamorous and pathetic life
of Brian Jones. Now he has decided that I have the right look to play
the chauffeur of Andrew Loog Oldham, the original manager of Jones's
band the Rolling Stones.
I'm on location for a 1963 scene at the filthy flat
in Edith Grove, Chelsea, that Jones shared with Keith Richards, Mick
Jagger and their friend James Phelge. Oldham is arriving to congratulate
Jagger and Richards on their first song writing effort, symbolically and
physically pushing Jones to one side in the process. I came to interview
Woolley and a few cast members about the film, but in a cost-cutting
process that is no doubt common in the impoverished British film
industry, Woolley's got me multi-tasking.
"His hair's too long for 1963!" point out the hair
and makeup department. "Didn't you know that Andrew Loog Oldham hired an
American driver in 1963 for the specific reason that he had long hair?"
retorts Woolley. "He didn't care whether the guy could drive or not. It
was the hair he was interested in."
Andrew Loog Oldham did no such thing and Woolley
almost definitely knows it, but it's the kind of thing that Oldham
should have done, so my minor role is at least in keeping with the
spirit of authenticity that the director is mining.
The Wild and Wycked World of Brian Jones has been
something of an obsession for Woolley, who is fascinated by the 1960s:
he produced Scandal, the story of the Profumo affair, and Backbeat,
which dramatised the life of Stuart Sutcliffe, one of the original
Beatles. Brian Jones was the original Byronic pop idol: an
upper-middle-class rebel from Cheltenham who fathered two children by
two women before he was out of his teens, with an ability to play any
musical instrument within hours and an outrageous flamboyance. He was
also a deeply insecure man, too weak to cope with the wild lifestyle he
invented. At 27 he drowned in the swimming pool at AA Milne's former
house in Sussex; it was either through excess of drink and drugs or at
the hands of a disgruntled builder named Frank Thorogood. Whichever is
true, the death has helped fuel the myth of Brian Jones that has been
growing ever since that night on July 3 1969, three weeks after Jagger
and Richards fired him from the band.
"In the early days, Brian was way ahead of the
others," says Woolley, a long-haired bohemian in a brown leather coat
and tinted glasses. "When Mick and Keith first saw Brian, he was doing a
perfect rendition of Elmore James's Dust My Broom, and they were amazed.
He was very much the leader when the band started. But as soon as Andrew
Loog Oldham came along - and Andrew hated Brian - it was obvious that
Brian was going to be pushed to one side."
When I'm not too busy getting into character for
the crucial task of sticking my head out of the driver's window as the
actor playing Loog Oldham gets out of the car, Woolley takes me on a
tour of the Edith Grove flat. The room that Jagger, Richards and Phelge
shared is tiny and shabby, with the three single beds leaving only
enough space for a bar heater in the middle of the room. Across the
landing is the room that Jones had all to himself. "He said that he
needed it for all the girls he had," explains Woolley. "Brian, Keith and
Mick would take every piece of furniture out that could be sold and use
the money to buy instruments, and the last thing that got paid was the
rent. They would come back late at night and James Phelge would be
standing at the top of the stairs with his underpants on his head,
pissing on them. It was all very Withnail and I."
The scenes at Edith Grove depict a time when the
landscape of Britain was on the cusp of enormous change. As the
fresh-faced, cheerily cocky actors playing the young Rolling Stones swap
banter outside the grey, soot-encrusted house, you begin to see how much
of a threat the Stones's long hair and arrogance must have been. In the
early 1960s, life was not swinging for the vast majority of the
population. The pubs were shut by 10.30pm, there was little money, and
everyone dressed the same. Brian Jones emerged to symbolise a new gilded
life in which drink and drugs, peacock fashions, casual sex and very
late nights at private London clubs such as the Scotch of St James put
up a huge barrier between the young elite and the rest of the country.
"When I grew up in Islington, there were five of us
in one room. We weren't particularly poor; everyone on our street lived
like that," says Woolley. "Most of Britain was in bed by 10 because
there was nothing else to do. Unless you were very famous, very rich or
had a very short miniskirt, you weren't getting into the Scotch of St
James."
In a break between scenes, the actors playing
Jones, Richards and Jagger bunk off for a pint and a game of pool in the
local pub. Leo Gregory, in his blond wig and cuban-heeled boots, makes
such a convincing Brian Jones that it it comes as something of a shock
when he admits that he prefers hip-hop to the Rolling Stones.
"I only got cast about a week before shooting began
and I had never even picked up a guitar," he says. "It's quite hard to
play with the nonchalance of one of the great 60s guitarists when you
don't even know how to hold the thing. Then you have the problem of
portraying someone as contradictory as Brian Jones, who was very
charming but also a bit of a shit: he called his first two sons Julian
Mark and Mark Julian because he couldn't be bothered to think of
different names for them. When you throw loads of drink and drugs into
that equation, it doesn't make for a very stable personality."
At the heart of The Wild and Wycked World of Brian
Jones is the ongoing mystery surrounding Jones's death, and the clash of
two worlds it symbolised. Woolley bought the rights to three books that
provide sinister answers: Paint It Black by Geoffrey Giuliano, Who
Killed Christopher Robin by Terry Rawlings and The Murder of Brian Jones
by Anna Wohlin, his then-girlfriend who was at the Sussex house at the
time of the death.
The builder, Frank Thorogood, was a former
paratrooper from north London hired to carry out renovations on Jones's
house. Woolley compares Jones and Thorogood to the roles that Mick
Jagger and James Fox play in Nicholas Roeg's 1970 film Performance: a
washed-up, decadent and reclusive pop star sharing his home with a
tough, working-class traditionalist. "This guy would have had no idea of
how to behave around Brian Jones," says Woolley. "Even people of his own
ilk didn't know how to behave around Brian Jones, let alone someone used
to telling blokes to build a wall. But he was spending every evening
getting drunk with and becoming a butler to a weird little blond version
of Oscar Wilde."
Woolley isn't saying, but it seems likely that the
film will finger Thorogood as Jones's killer. Terry Rawlings goes one
further and links the murder to the Rolling Stones's brief flirtation
with the London underworld. But Thorogood and Anna Wohlin were not the
only people present on July 3 1969.
Janet Lawson, a nurse from London and Thorogood's
girlfriend, was also there. She has never been quoted in any of the
books about Brian Jones and, even after the case was reopened following
Thorogood's death in 1993, she was never tracked down. The police
assumed she was dead; in fact she simply changed her name to distance
herself from the entire affair. Woolley hired a private detective to
find her. She agreed to talk.
"For years I was worried about the ending," says
Woolley, once he has exhausted my limited acting skills. "There were too
many questions left unanswered. But Janet Lawson turned out to be my ace
in the hole. From what she told me about what happened that night, I
have my ending." So what did she say?
"She said loads of things, and they're all in the
movie. But you will have to see it to find out."
Anonymous
Message 16 - Sunday 7th November 2004
Thanks to the anonymous person who posted the
Guardian article above. There's a huge amount of UK news print being
devoted to Stephen Woolley's film just lately and some might argue that
this is good thing in raising Brian's profile, however, it's very
apparent that a lot of facts reported in these numerous articles
are blatantly wrong and some misquoted details tend to present a
somewhat false image of Brian to the general public.
If anybody has a copy of the Sunday Express article
which includes the 'east end gangster' connection from their edition
dated 31st October then I would appreciate you forwarding so that we
might include it on this forum and share with others. In this weeks
edition of London's 'Time Out' magazine there's a two page article on
the film that you can read by following this link. (Time Out)
As always, your comments and input are greatly
appreciated, thanks.
Trevor
Message 17 - Sunday 7th November 2004
Hello Brian Fans,
If I didn't know better, Message #14 sure sounds
like somebody that used to knowingly full well rank on just about
everyone's post. Anonymous obviously has an issue or phobia or
insecurity about posting name. Yes Trevor, a lot of the facts in
articles due appear to be wrong & tend to present a somewhat false image
of Brian to the general public, Janet Nelson (Janet Lawson?) I've read
that the comedy show that Brian & Anna were watching was the American
show Laugh-In. The Swedish Actress Novotny looks hot. I think it's great
that Leo is learning everything that he can about Brian but I hope that
he can see through the sensationalism - false stuff written about Brian
over the years & I hope that the young British bands did great job
(recordings) of the stones early stuff - I guess that Woolley didn't get
permission to use the Stones 60's music? On the comment on Brian being
deeply insecure, too weak to cope with the wild lifestyle he invented -
in the 69 interview - Brian's dad said that Brian had no problem coping
with fame but that it was hard for Brian to deal with losing Anita (to
lose the only girl he ever really loved) but that Brian had started to
be more calmer towards the end & was looking forward to the future had
life been kinder towards him. I hope that besides showing scenes of
Brian with the Stones & Anita period that Woolley also shows Brian
getting it together with musicians & plans for the future at Cotchford
towards the end. In the no stone unturned article the statement -
"coroner and police concluded that Jones had died exactly as he had
lived: OFF HIS BLEEDING HEAD" was not very positive - I found it rather
distasteful & depressing.
Kevin
Message 18 - Monday 8th November 2004
Hi, I'd just like to let you know that a Brit Actor
called Luke De Woolfson will be playing Mick Jagger.
I'm sure this will be a fantastic film clearing
Brians own name! Go Woolley!!!
Jam
Message 19 - Tuesday 9th November 2004
I wonder if Leo will go back to listening to his
hip-hop after this. The movie has sure broadened his horizons! I never
heard of the Luke actor before. Brian was already over Anita when he was
with Anna at Cotchford, the best thing for him in the long run. His
outlook had greatly improved at Cotchford.
Anonymous
Message 20 - Tuesday 9th November 2004
Hello Brian fans,
Can anyone hopefully post a picture of the actor
Luke De Woolfson who's playing Mick. I wonder if there's gonna be an
actress playing Mary Hallet in a few scenes, I believe that one of the
demands that Brian made when he was buying Cotchford was that Mary was
allowed to stay on working at Cotchford for Brian after he bought it.
The movie sure has broadened Leo's horizon's on music if he didn't
really know the Stones music. Working around musician's myself I've seen
young musician's in their early 20's that totally love the classics like
Stones, Beatles, Who, Hendrix, Doors etc & the one's who been exposed to
the 60's Stones think Brian was one of the coolest & a leader. Yes
Brian's outlook had greatly improved at Cotchford & I hope that Woolley
shows this also in the film. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 21 - Wednesday 10th November 2004
The film The WIld and Wycked World Of Brian Jones,
has it been completed? If so, how can it be obtained in the US?
Donna
Message 22 - Wednesday 10th November 2004
On this page:
http://www.brianjonesfanclub.com/standard/tuva.htm
The article has a photo of Suki and Brian, which is
mislabelled as Anna Wohlin and Brian. This is a big mistake to
make...and it is just for a magazine article. I can only imagine all the
mistakes that will be in the movie.
Talitha
Message 23 - Thursday 11th November 2004
Hello Brian fans,
The film is is being filmed right now (in
production) & is supposed to be released in spring 2005 if I'm correct,
it would be cool to know when & if it's gonna be put out on video in the
US. Trevor - would you know if the movie is going to be shown in major
theatres through out Europe & the US? hopefully it will be release as
major film & be played all over. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 24 - Friday 12th November 2004
To the person that posted #14 - I really don't
think that anyone here is just trying to have the last word or anything
like that. I think Brians fans are very interested in every aspect of
his life which in itself says a lot considering how long he has been
deceased. He continues to have a very loyal following. I do hope
somebody posts a picture of the actor playing Mick. I would love to find
out if this film is being released in the USA and if not how those of us
who live here could see it. I just received a book from Amazon today. I
think the name of it is "Brian Jones, the last decadent" Something like
that. I don't have it in front of me. I hope it has some new information
that I've not read before. Also, info that's not a load of rubbish. I
remember back in I think '81 or so, cutting up all my Rolling Stones
books in order to get all the pictures of Brian out so I could make my
own collage posters. So long ago... Now I have to re-buy some of those
same books to re-read them. I guess I'm dating myself. Well, at least
you know I'm not just a newbie fan! Glad to be back from NYC again!
Missed all the posts.
Erin
Message 25 - Saturday 13th November 2004
It was on this day in 68 Brian purchased Cotchford
Farm!
Miss U.
Message 26 - Monday 15th November 2004
"Who killed Christopher Robin" a book by Terry
Rawlings is being used for reference in making the film. It would be a
good book to buy and read before the film comes out.
Terry and Steven (Woolley) have been researching
for a long time and Terry is even preparing a new edition of the book
with all the new un-earthed evidence included. I think that will be
released in the new year.
p.s. Leo Still loves the Hip Hop, it can be heard
at the end of every days filming booming from the car which takes him
home.
Jam
Message 27 - Tuesday 16th November 2004
Hello Brian Fans,
On the question of message #26 that ask what's more
important, to find out how Brian died or WHY? Actually both are
important! If the truth comes of how Brian died then we'll know why he
died. It would be very important to find out how Brian died - WHY? - the
witness stories don't match up & a proper investigation wasn't
performed. If it is found that there was fowl play involved & that Brian
died due to others actions & not just his own actions (what's written)
then those responsible will be famous - written into history forever for
their actions & and if that's found to be the case then history will be
rewritten that Brian didn't die JUST due to drinks & drugs by his own
actions. If Brian died due to others actions & it isn't questioned or
reinvestigated & nothing changes then it would be a disservice to
Brian's memory, however it's amazing that's we're talking about this 35
years later which says a lot in that we still care about what happened
to Brian! Miss U - Thank you for your info on Brian. I had the book Who
killed Christopher Robin (got it back in 86!) but since lost it - look
forward to the new revised version that's coming out next year. RIP
BRIAN JONES WE STILL CARE! True fan.
Kevin.
Message 28 - Tuesday 16th November 2004
Kevin I agree - how and why are both important
questions. Both deserved to be answered truthfully. I also want to
mention that Brian never fully recovered from losing Anita. His own
father said so. I'm sure he would have broken up with Anna/Suki or
whoever if he thought he could have Anita back. I think being with Anita
was a source of confidence for him. It would be great to get her input
on Brian. She was privy to many private moments with him.
Erin
Message 29 - Tuesday 16th November 2004
How 'bout the hip-hop version of "Miss You" then?
LoL.
Miss U.
Message 30 - Wednesday 17th November 2004
Don't forget to sign the petition and pass it on to
everyone you know!
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/chlorinedreammadstifledwitness/
Miss U.
Message 31 - Wednesday 17th November 2004
Brian wasn't close to his father. He and Anita
enjoyed a stormy relationship with many violent episodes on both sides.
Anita was not a long term choice, more infatuation and they were in
love. Not a healthy or monogamous relationship. Anna was a more
complementary partner for the future.
Anonymous
Message 32 - Friday 19th November 2004
The filming on the movie has finished at Pinewood
and has now moved to morocco. The plan is for the film to be taken to
Cannes in 2005.
K.
Message 33 - Friday 19th November 2004
I enjoy reading all the emails and rhetoric
regarding the life and death of Brian. So far I have not read a comment
on the Geoffrey Giliano Rock Report CD with the audio confession
regarding the night of his death. Does this mean it carries no weight ?
? Most interested.
Maureen
Message 34 - Friday 19th November 2004
Charlie chose Julian Cannonball Adderley's "The
Sticks" for the B2B tour bridge music, could it be coincidence or
tribute?
Dave
Message 35 - Saturday 20th November 2004
Hello Brian fans,
Thank you for your response Erin - yes I agree that
Brian probably never really got over Anita as one never really truly
gets over anyone even if they've moved on & into new relationships but I
think it's neat how all the women that were in Brian's life - today
speak very highly of him especially Pat Andrews. I've read in a recent
Stones book that Anita said that Brian was her true passion in life!
Miss U - thanks for posting the link to the petition for people to sign
- everybody please get your friends to sign the petition as it's JUSTICE
FOR BRIAN JONES! And yes Maureen there's a few post about the Rock
Report CD - in reference to the audio confession (messages #36 & #45
which I posted) in the archived forum - Death of Brian Jones (Link to
achieved forum near top of this new forum page. True Fan.
Kevin
Message 36 - Sunday 21st November 2004
That's interesting, Dave. Also Mick Taylor played
"Little Red Rooster" at his Cheltenham gig November 12th with the John
Mayall band....wonder if that was a tribute to BJ?
In other news, as per StonesDoug:
Keylock also has a lot of Brian's so called
"missing" artefacts and has been privately trying to unload some of it
to private collectors.
Miss U.
Message 37 - Thursday 2nd December 2004
I never realised Tom Cruise was interested in
playing the role of Brian Jones. Unfortunate he didn't get the part.
This Brian movie is not necessary a bad thing, it's
just a fictional movie so anything that brings more attention and
interest in Brian is good.
Anonymous
Message 38 - Saturday 4th December 2004
Hello Brian fans,
I noticed that message #37 said that actor Tom
Cruise was interested in playing Brian - Wow! Of course this Brian movie
can't be a bad thing as it will bring more exposure of interest in Brian
for his talents & contributions to music & memory. True fan.
Kevin.
Message 39 - Saturday 4th December 2004
Hi all! Happy holidays. I was wondering if anyone
knows if this movie will cover Brians life, or just the end of his life
and the mystery of his murder? And I know I've asked this question
before: will this be released or available in the US, and if so, when?
Just hoping that someone might have some updated information about that.
I sometimes wonder, if Brian were alive today, even if he weren't with
the Stones, what kind of music would he be playing? Would he ever have
gotten back with the Stones? I bet he would have contributed so much.
Erin
Message 40 - Monday 6th December 2004
I have been a Stones fan since the mid 60s and a
big admirer of Brian's musical skills. In fact, it was Brian - through
the Stones vehicle, who turned me on to R&B and Blues of which I am an
avid admirer to this day!
My question is this - what would be gained by
covering up Brian's death considering he was murdered by those working
for him?
Just curious. By the way, any idea when the new
movie on Brian will be released in the USA??
Paul
Message 41 - Monday 6th December 2004
Will the film investigate the claims that there was
a party arranged at Cotchford that night, and that one Richard Cadbury
stumbled across a foreign plated car blocking the lane to the house,
just after the death. He then claimed that Tom Keylock basically told
him to get lost or he would be "next". Other accounts all mention a
party, and loads of vehicles speeding away after the approximate time of
death.
ALSO : Wouldn't it be fitting if the Master
Musicians Of Joujouka supplied some music for the soundtrack, AND This
film is released on a double bill with the remastered "Performance"???
Dunc
Message 42 - Wednesday 7th December 2004
In response to Dunc and the suspect car. l have
read the script and can't recall the big party or a foreign car getting
a mention. And definitely no other speeding vehicles leaving the farm.
Also Erin.. The film is mainly about the
speculation surrounding Brian's death. But obviously has to inform you
of some of his life first. I don't believe this is done in as much
detail as some fans (possibly including yourself) would have really
liked. But it does give you plenty of background info necessary to the
flow of the film.
Hope this helps
Jam
Message 43 - Saturday 11th December 2004
What a cool idea about the Master Musicians
contributing music to the soundtrack. Even if it was just during the
final credits it would be so cool. Only the true diehards would know how
much it meant. Great idea Dunc.
And Jam, thank you for responding to my question
about the film covering his life or mainly his death. Are you involved
in the film? How lucky to have been able to read the script. It seems
I'm not the only one asking about where, when and how widespread the
release of this film will be. I know eventually somebody will have the
answer. I just hope it'll be available in the US. It's such a tragedy
that when you mention the Stones, so many people are uneducated about
who Brian was. I wonder if he hadn't pushed so hard if the others would
have just moved on to other things, groups, jobs, etc. Have any of you
read the interview with Anita Pallenberg in the David Dalton book, "The
Rolling Stones, The first twenty years.?" It's on page 115 if you've got
the book. Very interesting. So much drama in such young lives. So sad.
I'd love to see Brian get his due credit. He should be as well known as
Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison, etc..
Erin
Message 44 - Saturday 11th December 2004
Hello Brian fans,
Hopefully the movie isn't about speculation
surrounding Brian's death, I hope that Woolley has documentation - proof
of new facts & presenting it will hopefully get Brian's death
reinvestigated. Erin - yes I believe had Brian lived, he would have went
on & made great music & contributions to music and I believe that Brian
would have gotten together again with the Stones even if just for a few
tour & fans surely would have demanded that the Stones tour with Brian!
Kevin
Message 45 - Saturday 18th December 2004
Latest Keith quote, from from the new "Rock and
Folk" French Magazine:
"R&F : there is a movie about Brian, what do you
think?
KR : i believe i already know the story. It's a
strange affair which is still a mystery for me. Brian didn't go well and
people around him had absolutely no sympathy for his problems. Brian dug
his own grave."
What do ya make of that comment?
Brian Fan #666
Message 46 - Sunday 19th December 2004
Is the film The Wild And Wycked World Of Brian
Jones out yet, is it produce for TV or Theatre?
Tomas Hakansson
Message 47 - Monday 20th December 2004
Hello Brian fans,
in response to: "what do ya make of that comment?"
about what Keith supposedly said in reference towards Brian? If there's
any truth to that being said( true or not) then it's really sad after
all this time. To even bring it up on this post is bad negative karma
towards Brian & I have to wonder about the number #666 - I don't get the
humor. The movie is supposed to be released next spring - 2005 - I've
read that it's gonna be a wide release in theatres - Hopefully! True fan
Kevin.
Message 48 - Monday 20th December 2004
Don't blame the messenger. And yeah it is true
Keith said that. That doesn't mean I agree but would like to know how
others interpret it.
Brian Fan #666
Message 49 - Wednesday 22nd December 2004
It seems that Keith is saying that he still has
suspicions about the death, but that Brian had a tendency to "wind
people up" and this might have contributed to his death?
Dunc
Message 50 - Wednesday 22nd December 2004
In reference to message #48 my thoughts on Keith's
quote are this. Keith and Brian started out as best friends. Throughout
Brian's remaining life I believe Brian always looked to Keith as being
his "closest" friend in the group. However, look what Brians closest
friend did to him. From taking the spotlight away from Brian, whenever
possible, to taking away Brian's only true love, to eventually kicking
Brian out of the band. Some friend huh?
Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?
I get tired of hearing people blaming Mick for this and that regarding
Brian. The truth is they really never were very close after the Edith
Grove days. Keith was the middle guy between Brian and Mick. He would go
back and forth between the two. Keith only became close with Brian,
again, back in 66 because Brian was seeing Anita. Keith even wonders out
loud in the Stones 5x20 video, if he was hanging out with Brian because
of Anita or if he wanted to be friends again. Deep down he knows the
answer...he says it later in the video when he says "funny things happen
in the back seat of a car" and his response to taking away Brians only
true love of his life - not to mention him being Brians "closest
friend"? "shit happens." Some friend!!! Why Brian did not leave the band
then is a mystery to me. He would probably be alive today if he had. The
truth is Keith never really cared much for Brian. So sad. It is so
obvious though!!! Since Brian's death he has not really had much to say
of Brian other than to bad mouth and knock him. He never compliments
Brian for all of the great work he did with their music. He has said
much kinder words for other great past musicians who have since past
away like Lennon and Harrison. The last time I checked they played in
some "other" band. Why Keith to this day says the things about Brian the
way he does just goes to show the real friend he truly was to Brian. As
any true Brian fan knows the story - and believe me you could make a
movie on their "friendship" alone - Keith was and still is a true Judas.
Does that answer your question message 48?
George
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