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The Death of Brian Jones
The Wild and Wycked
World of Brian Jones
Message 101 - Friday 25th February 2005
I saw a show/bio on Beethoven; it was fascinating
because they traced the owners throughout the ages of a strand of
Beethoven's hair. Also had interviews with forensic pathologists who
have determined by testing the hair, that Beethoven had lead poisoning
which led to his various health problems & eventual death, also explains
his sudden rages and volatile personality.
Image if they could do that for Brian!!
Miss U.
Message 102 - Saturday 26th February 2005
Let's give Brian a wall !! We need 10 nominations
to get it started
http://www.topdogcity.com/index.htm
and here is an example:
http://www.topdogcity.com/elvis1.htm
IF A BUILDING DOES NOT YET EXIST...
1. We require 10 nominations before we will launch
a new building so if your favourite doesn't have a building yet you need
to 'Nominate' them. How?...
2. Send an e-mail to
bricks@topdogcity.com as
follows:
SUBJECT LINE: Type the name of your nominee only
(typing "nomination for..." or "add a brick for..." will be invalid. eg.
If you want to nominate Elvis Presley that's all you type, not "I
nominate Elvis" or "Start a building for Elvis" etc)
BODY: Type the name and message you want to appear
on your brick (limited to 25 characters).
Once we have received 10 valid nominations we will
launch the building with the first 10 bricks in place. If your
nomination was 11th or later in the queue, you will need to go to the
building when it's launched and add your own brick (sorry but we really
don't have the time to add them all!) Any new buildings will be added at
the close of each day.
Miss U.
Message 103 - Monday 28th February 2005
Hello Brian fans,
For the occasion of Brian Jones’s birthday, it
would be suiting to mention some of his friends: Muddy Waters, Bo
Diddley, Bob Dylan, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles and Eric
Burdon, just to cite a few.
One reason these well-known musicians were friends
was their deep understanding of music and mutual respect.
In the 20th century, the above mentioned musicians
were among the best. Brian Jones holds a significant place among them.
In October 1963 during a show, a 21 year old Brian
Jones played the guitar, ”…and even Bo Diddley came to the wings and
watched him, commenting he’d never heard anything like it before.” (S.
Davis) Not long ago, I attended a Eric Burdon’s concert and, there, I
bought his book. In it there is a picture in which Eric Burdon and Brian
Jones are together. Underneath the picture, Burdon writes: “An old
friend still missed – me with Rolling Stone Brian Jones in 1967”
Today, we know that, on that picture, stand two
great musicians.
Brian fan #1308
Message 104 - Monday 28th February 2005
Hello Brian fans,
Am definitely looking forward to the response from
the police regarding whether or not the case will be opened-Hopefully!
Yes Miss U-it'd be interesting to see what they could do with Brian if
the case is reopened & Brian getting exhumed. This will be an
interesting year for Brian as his profile has been raised quite a bit
due to the movie & thanks to the Brian Jones Fan Club. Today Brian would
be 63! he's still young!
"HAPPY BIRTHDAY" BRIAN JONES!
True fan-Kevin.
Message 105 - Monday 28th February 2005
Dear Brian Jones Fan Club,
The main reason I am writing is to let you know
about my close friend Mr. Al Aronowitz. We met Mr. Aronowitz at a gig in
NYC a few years ago and he has been supporting our band’s musical
endeavours since then.
Al Aronowitz was one of Brian’s closest friends in
NYC back in the Sixties. He is the rock journalist [New York POST] who
introduced Bob Dylan to the Beatles and the Beatles to pot! He also says
that it was his idea to introduce Brian to Bob Dylan - with the
possibility of them hooking up after hearing Brian complain once too
often about his frustrations within the Stones. He was also there the
night of the fabled “lost jam” during New York’s harvest moon blackout -
among other things.
Al has a lot of interesting stories and insights
about Brian, and it is a joy when he opens up about them when we’re
driving somewhere. For instance, Al went with Brian to hear a new band
called The Doors at a New York club called The Scene. They were
unimpressed and left early because Jim Morrison approached the mike five
times and never started to sing. Thought he was a “poser”. Another time
Brian phoned Al from London at 3:00 in the morning laughing hysterically
and playing a brand new song by The Who called “My Generation”…Al says
that Brian was “gassed out” that anyone would release a song with
stuttering in it! “Is this a mistake?”
Mr. Aronowitz has just written a new book entitled:
“Bob Dylan and the Beatles: Volume One of the Best of the Blacklisted
Journalist” [see:
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=18224
which includes some interesting insights about
Brian. Recommended reading for sure! Al Aronowitz goes by the moniker
“The Blacklisted Journalist.” Check out his website at:
http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com there are many stories about
the heroes of the Sixties there, including Brian and the Stones.
Also, check out the “definitive tribute to Brian
Jones” [Helen Hall] written by Al Aronowitz which originally appeared in
the New York Post in 1969:
http://www.angelfire.com/rock3/sixtiesfish/mybrian/over.htm
I have long been a Brian Jones fan. I am a musician
who owns a 1967 original Vox teardrop guitar that I’m sure Brian would
have loved. Check out my bands website:
http://www.allmoses.com for pix of it - plus some recent photos of
us with Al Aronowitz .
By the way… Happy Birthday Mr. Jones!
Sincerely, Chuck Moses
Message 106 - Wednesday 2nd March 2005
Ok, saw a preview of the film and for anyone
anticipating its release I'd quite like to forewarn you - you might
leave as aghast at its naffness as much as I did, and seemingly a number
of others. If you thought The Doors was bad...
Andy James
Message 107 - Thursday 3rd March 2005
Hello: After reading the comments posted within by
fellow fans of Brian it is nice to know that we seem to be in agreement
here. It is my feeling and has been from day 1 that Brian was indeed
murdered. Even Mr Keith Richards commented that with Brians amazing
skills in the water he found it somewhat amazing that Brian would simply
drown - especially in light of the fact that he had cleaned up his act
and was happy to tell everyone about it.
As new information continues to come to light it
certainly supports the agreed upon feeling that Brian was indeed
murdered By who? (Frank would have you believe that he acted alone - I
am sorry I do not buy it) and how many and for what reason or reasons I
believe everyone wants to know. From lights shinning through the bushes
to all the activity that night at Cotchford to the fact that none of the
times or stories agree leads to the conclusion that this matter needs
definitely to be reopened and looked at more closely.
He was someone who truly went before his time and
yet was able to accomplish so much before he went - thankfully the many
fans around the world have allowed his legacy to live on.
I am very much looking forward to the movie coming
out - hopefully it will serve it's purpose across the board and finally
as a result allow Brian to finally R.I.P.
Thank you all for your time.
P.S. - The translation of Joujouka - Good Things
Come - Hopefully something good will finally come of all this and serve
Brian well.
Robert
Message 108 - Friday 4th March 2005
I looked at the addresses given by Chuck Moses in
message #104 and I discovered something interesting in Mr. Aranowitz’s
article “Over His Dead Body”, published in the New York Post in 1969. It
is about the following sentence: “After he was kicked out of The Rolling
Stones leadership, a friend suggested that Brian get the best musicians
available on both sides of the Atlantic and start the first
Anglo-American super-group.”
Even before reading this article, I read, in
several different places, texts concerning a “super group” which would
include Brian Jones. However, I thought these theories to be less fact
than fiction. I know that Brian Jones was friends with John Lennon, Jimi
Hendrix, Eric Burdon, and Bob Dylan and that some of these musicians
jammed together. I suspected that maybe some of them were planning on
formulating their own band. Additionally, I know that Brian Jones
collaborated with The Beatles and I suspect that they were considering
taking Brian as a fifth member of The Beatles. Of course, these were
only my speculations. I also read that Brian had prepared a single which
was supposedly stolen in the theft of his possessions after his death.
Yet, we now have an article written by a well-known journalist in 1969.
I don’t know if Chuck Moses could ask Mr. Aramowitz to send some more
information about this topic to our user group. I know that in 1969 a
famous group under the name “Humble Pie” was formed and was led by two
guitarist and singers who were already stars: Steve Marriot and Peter
Frempton. They invited Brian Jones to, together with them, establish a
group but he declined. Maybe there really were some other “big plans”.
Brian fan #1308
Message 109 - Friday 4th March 2005
I found this book on Amazon.co.uk:
The Wild and Wycked World of Brian Jones by Anna
Wohlin - Blake Publishing Ltd - Hardcover - June 1, 2005 - Not yet
published - 288 pages.
Is this Anna’s book The Murder of Brian Jones
slightly altered for the movie or what? The new book has approximately
30 more pages.
Brian fan #1324
Message 110 - Saturday 5th March 2005
Regarding message #105: How was you able to see a
preview of this film? if anybody else knows as well please let me know.
I think that no matter how good or bad the movie is going to be, it will
be good for Brian Jones, and the people who wasn't aware of how good he
was and did!
Clive
Message 111 - Saturday 5th March 2005
Hello Brian Fans,
On the subject of Brian & Jimi Hendrix - in late
January '68 Brian recorded a song with Jimi called "little one" -
there's two takes of it. The Jimi Hendrix Experience broke up on June
29th 1969 & Jimi was very sad to hear the news of Brian's death, On July
10th (same day of Brian's funeral) Jimi was in New York appearing on the
Tonight Show (Flip Wilson filled in as guest host for Johnny Carson) &
Jimi dedicated a song "loverman" to Brian - however Jimi's amp blew up
during the song & they had to do a second take - it's been said that
Brian would have found that very amusing! There's also been stories that
Jimi's drummer Mitch Mitchell & even Ginger Baker (drummer of Cream -
already disbanded) had gone down to see Brian at Cotchford, it's also
been reported that Brian had auditions set up for July 4th! - it would
be so cool if we could find out what musicians had planned on being
there that day. Just the fact alone that Brian had auditions on July 4th
only further proves that he was definitely already getting his act
together & making plans for the future by the time he died! On the movie
- even if it was bad - like the movie of the week kind of deal it
wouldn't really matter because Brian is being put back into the publics
eye & that's good for Brian because good or bad the movie will raise
questions on Brian death besides making more people aware of who Brian
was & more new fans! Wouldn't it really be something if the case was
reopened & it was ruled that Brian didn't die from his own actions
(drinks & drugs) & was murdered - history would be rewritten & all the
stuff written before would seriously be questioned! Brian will be having
his day! True fan
Kevin.
Message 112 - Sunday 6th March 2005
If Brian was smart enuff to set up microphones in
the house to spy on the bastards who were ripping him off & making his
life hell, then perhaps he had also recorded these interactions on tape?
(no doubt would have been stolen along with the lost tapes of his new
group)
Brian Fan #666
Message 113 - Monday 7th March 2005
I have a bootleg of Hendrix appearing on a show and
dedicating "Stone Free" to Brian. "This one's for Brian Jones. And he
also throws in "get off my cloud baby" before going into a solo. The
lyrics do suit Brian!
Everyday in the week
I’m in a different city
If I stay too long people try to pull me down
They talk about me like a dog
Talkin’ about the clothes I wear
But they don’t realise they’re the ones who’s
square
Yeah!
And that’s why
You can’t hold me down
I don’t want to be tide down I gotta move Hey
I said
Stone free do what I please
Stone free to ride the breeze
Stone free, baby I can’t stay
I got to got to got to get away
Yeah
Listen here baby
A woman here a woman there try to keep me in a
plastic cage
But they don’t realise it’s so easy to break
Yeah buta sometimes I get a ha
Feel my heart kind a gettin’ hot
That’s when I got to move before I get caught
So dig this
And the is why, listen to me baby, you can’t
hold me down I don’t want to be tied down I gotta move on
I said
Stone free do what I please
Stone free to ride the breeze
Stone free I can’t stay
Got to got to got to get away
Yeah
Tear me loose baby
Hey
Yeah!
I said
Stone free to ride on the breeze
Stone free do what I pleasee
Stone free I can’t stay
Stone free I got to I got to get away
Hey
Stone free go on down the highway
Stone free don’t try to hold me back baby Stone
free stone free Stone free got to baby Stone free got get on
Miss U.
Message 114 - Tuesday 8th March 2005
I have just seen a preview of this film (go to the
IMDb forum on the film) and have to tell you that I will be surprised if
it doesn't go straight to dvd after it's release. The whole thing is
fragmented and frustrating and doesn't deal with any particularly new
issues. The filming is patchy and I can't even say what I think about
the soundtrack.
Added to this, the standard of acting is pretty
poor overall, with the Golden Turkey going to Luke De Woolfson (you may
remember him from "The House that Jack Built" - the show that was yanked
off the the BBC after only five episodes) who plays Mick. He endows the
extraordinary character that is Mick Jagger with the screen presence of
a carrot.
I expect everyone will go and see it on the big
screen, as I intend to do, hoping that I missed something, but I'm not
holding my breath. After waiting so long for this to come out, I am just
really disappointed - it could have been so good!
Dave M
Message 115 - Saturday 12th March 2005
y 'am french have just 27 years old .since long
times i 'have dreamig movie to Brian Jones .now the film is ready . I'am
fan to brian .I' hope see this movie in europe in france in Paris
.congratulation ! hello brian jones fan club come on.
CORNET michel edmond
Message 116 - Saturday 12th March 2005
Not long ago, I read “According to The Rolling
Stones”. The book is put together as a collection of comments and
statements made by Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and
Ronnie Wood. So, here we have a kind of official history of the Rolling
Stones. In my opinion, some of the things written are false. Because of
this, I have decided to write some thoughts about this topic, especially
about Brian Jones and the Rolling Stones in the period during which
Brian was still alive (until July 1969). Because this is a somewhat
lengthy text I have divided it into several parts.
How The Rolling Stones Were Formed
In the book “According to The Rolling Stones” it is
not clearly said how the band was actually formed - giving readers the
wrong impression. In this book Keith Richards explains that they became
a band and that they didn’t even know it; that it happened somehow
because they were living together.
As far as I know, the formation of the band did not
happen this way at all. Brian Jones formed the band, picked each of its
members, came up with the musical concepts and musical ideas, and
instructed the players in order for them to be able to play this kind of
music as a band.
There is extensive literature in which the
formation of the Rolling Stones is described.
These books say that Brian Jones wanted to form his
own band and that he was looking for musicians to join it.
It is also well known that Brian wanted to form a
Rhythm and Blues band, which would play Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson,
Jimmy Reed kind of music. Brian started the process of forming a band in
January of 1962 unsuccessfully with Paul Jones. Soon after, he started
playing with Geoff Bradford and Brian Knight.
On the 2nd of May, 1962 Brian placed an
advertisement in “Jazz News” and Ian Stewart responded to it. Around
this time, Brian again tried to persuade Paul Jones to join him – which
was, once again unsuccessful. Soon after, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards
joined the group. (It is not clear to me whether Dick Taylor joined
Brian at the same time as Mick and Keith, or earlier). Brian invited
Mick and today it is clear that Brian didn’t want Keith and that Mick
would sing only if Keith was with him. Ian Stewart confirmed this about
Keith. Geoff Bradford left the band because he did not want to play with
Keith. After that, Dick Taylor also left. One of the reasons for this
was that he didn't want to play bass.
At that time, it was very hard to find R&B
musicians, because there was a very small number of musicians who were
in R & B. We can only imagine how much effort Brian put in forming the
band.
We can conclude that Brian Jones formed the above
mentioned group as a compromise, rather than what he had initially
wanted. Just to mention Paul Jones and Dick Taylor were musicians who
Brian appreciated. But some options weren’t in the cards.
Later on, two very good musicians, Bill Wyman and
Charlie Watts, joined the band.
For now, that’s all I’ll say about the formation of
The Rolling Stones.
There is an aspect which is much more important
than just forming a band and it is the aspect of musical concepts and
musical directions of the band. And that is what Brian Jones determined.
In his book “Stone Alone”, Bill Wyman writes that Brian Jones was the
inventor and inspiration of the Rolling Stones, that Brian’s great love
of music was main power of The Rolling Stones, and that Brian’s
obsession with and knowledge of American Rhythm & Blues created The
Rolling Stones and was their blueprint. This is why The Rolling Stones
were different from other groups.
(It is important to say that Bill Wyman wrote two
great books which are the best sources about The Rolling Stones and not
only about The Rolling Stones. To me, there is no doubt that Wyman’s
book will last as an authentic value).
There are the other well-known aspects of Brian’s
deep understanding of Rhythm and Blues, like his knowledge about this
music, and his musical ability to perform this music. I would just like
to mention that a 20-year-old Brian wrote about R & B in “Jazz News”.
Brian wrote these in a time in which people didn’t know what R & B was
about, including some jazz journalists.
Mick, Keith and Dick mostly played Rock and Roll
songs of Chuck Berry. The tape, with which they presented their work,
consisted mostly of Chuck Berry’s stuff. It included Mick's favourite
song "La Bamba” – a kind of Spanish or Mexican folk song. Obviously,
Mick and Keith were not Rhythm and Blues musicians until they met Alexis
Korner. Here they listened to Brian Jones and Paul Jones playing Robert
Johnson and Elmore James’s ‘Dust My Broom’.
Vladimir Odrljin
Message 117 - Monday 21st March 2005
I had been a fan of the stones ever since I heard
Ruby Tuesday - I mean when I learned that the nazareth-song was
originally done by the stones; that was ten years ago. however l never
know about them really - the stones is Mick and Keith; til I got a copy
of Stanley Booth's book! BRIAN is the ROLLINGSTONE!!!
The lifestyle, the sound, the look, the character,
the decadence- EVERYTHING!!! obviously there wont be stones today if he
was, but he was- and thats what makes it a tragedy!!!
edmund bacia
Message 118 - Sunday 27th March 2005
when is the film out?
Retro
Message 119 - Sunday 27th March 2005
Happy Easter! I believe Brian discovered (the hard
way) the true meaning of life and happiness is not fame & fortune. May
we all live life to the fullest.
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/hotstuff/images/eastercard.jpg
Miss U.
Message 120 - Monday 28th March 2005
With reference to msg 114. I read your notice on
the IMBd forum as well and I have to disagree with you I'm afraid. I saw
Luke de Woolfson in a really good British film Late Night Shopping. He
played the lead Shaun, i also saw him in The Reckoning with Paul Bettany
and Willem Dafoe and thought he was very good. I too had the misfortune
to see Large but the film in general was awful, not the acting in
particular. I'm really looking forward to the release as it has some
very good British talent in it, Leo Gregory, de Woolfson and Ben Whishaw
as well as Ralph Brown are all good actors and Stephen Wooley has
produced some great films.
Seb
Message 121 - Monday 28th March 2005
To those who cast blame or assumptions on Anna
Wohlin, may god and Brian forgive you.
Brian Fan #666
Message 122 - Tuesday 29th March 2005
In reply to message 120, Seb, I agree that Stephen
Wooley has produced some fine films, but in his directorial debut, I
feel that he has under-achieved. I also agree that Late Night Shopping
was a good film, but mainly due to the superb and atmospheric filming of
Brian Tufano, who is without a doubt, a genius. Stephen Wooley could
have done with his expertise on his patchy and overblown camera work. I
remember the sixties in the era when dry ice was considered an exotic
stage effect. Stephen Wooley has created a pastiche of colour and icon
that was never present.
I really wanted this to be a great film, as a
supporter of the British Film Industry and a life-long Stones fan, but
we have to set our sights a little higher than this production.
We will just have to wait and see what the
box-office and critical acclaim bring.
PS I have seen The Reckoning, but don't remember De
Woolfson in it. I shall have to watch it again!
Dave M
Message 123 - Friday 1st April 2005
I have long been a Brian Jones fan, and cant wait
for this movie to hit Australia. I have been waiting for years for this
and have read several books surrounding his murder. I will be extremely
interested to see how Tom Keylock is portrayed in the movie. I have just
read the article regarding the movie in "Uncut" and Mr Keylock is an
paid advisor to Mr Woolley. "Uncut" were advised to not approach Keylock
under any circumstances for interviews, I wonder why?
Matt Woolston
Message 124 - Saturday 2nd April 2005
In response to message # 120. I have also enjoyed
Wooley's other film projects. "Scandal" was a brilliant recreation of
the Christine Keeler - Profumo Sex scandal and "Backbeat" was an
affectionate look at the Fabs Hamburg days. Ian Hart was terrific as
Lennon. I'm hoping that "WWOBJ" at least will show the complexities of
Brian's personality. I recently caught Paddy Considine as the lead in
"In America" and he was very versatile. Too bad he gets to play Frank !
I must admit to being a bit suspicious as to Keylock's involvement as a
hired film consultant. He just seems to link himself to BJ at every
possible opportunity. Like a meal ticket of sorts.....
Chris
Message 125 - Thursday 14th April 2005
I knew Frank Thorogood having played football for
Genesis, a team he managed in the late 70s, early 80s. Frank was very
kind to me, helped me out on several occasions. He once screeded the
drive way of our home in Wood Green for little more than the cost of the
materials.
He worked with me at Ramus Tile where he was the
building supervisor. At the time he was devoted to his wife Ivy. Frank's
son in law Gus captained the football team and I recall a couple of
occasions when Frank put his hand in his pocket to pay all team expenses
when players were short of cash.
He was a tough bloke who liked a drink and had lost
the sight in one eye scrapping with one of North London's toughest
individuals. Frank was around 50 when I knew him, fit and strong. He
could have handled Brian Jones with one hand tied behind his back.
Frank told me that some people suspected him of
murdering Brian. I heard him tell the tale of what happened that night
on several occasions, when we went for the obligatory drink after
training. Apparently Brian owed Frank money for materials and labour.
Frank was organizing the work, hiring and paying tradesmen. When Brian
didn't pay, Frank had to pay what he could. Brian and Frank argued,
apparently there were a lot of people around. Frank went inside to make
a call and then someone came rushing in saying Brian was laying at the
bottom of the pool.
Remember Frank had done some security work for the
Stones, he liked his role. Brian owed him a fair amount of money. Frank
was not a fool. In the 3 years I knew him he only did good deeds and I
never heard him raise his voice in anger.
Some of the posts on here, by people who never met
him depict him as evil. That's not the guy I knew. There are a lot of
people around who can look after themselves, they are not all murderers
and villains. The makers of this movie better get their facts straight.
Name withheld
Message 126 - Saturday 16th April 2005
I really hope the fan club will make this available
to members, I can't wait to see it.....
PSYCHIC: 'DEATH OF STONE WAS MURDER'
10:30 - 01 April 2005
The mysterious death of Rolling Stone Brian Jones
has been declared a murder by a TV psychic.
Tony Stockwell spoke to friends of Brian -
including his girlfriend Pat Andrews - and visited his old haunts in
Cheltenham to try to discover what led to the discovery of his body in a
Sussex swimming pool in 1969. After using his psychic abilities to pick
up Brian's "echoes", Tony believes foul play was involved.
His findings will be shown on Psychic Detective, to
be broadcast later this year.
Producer David Lee said: "People come to Tony if
their relatives have disappeared or died in mysterious circumstances.
"Pat Andrews feels the official version of how
Brian died isn't the whole story, so that's what Tony's investigating.
"It's an hour-long programme and each investigation
begins with a blind reading. Tony didn't know who Pat was and he just
gave her what he got using his abilities.
"It was pretty amazing. He said he got a young guy,
he plays the guitar and he likes or knows John Lennon, which obviously
fits the profile of Brian Jones.
"Tony's conclusion was that Brian was somehow
murdered but it was made to look like drowning.
"Since then we've been visiting significant
locations for Pat and Brian."
The crew went to the guitarist's old Cheltenham
flat, the Craw Daddy club in Richmond where the Stones had their big
break and to Cotchford Farm, where Brian's body was found.
They also filmed at The Prom club in Cheltenham. It
used to be called The Patio and it was there that Brian met blues
guitarist Alexis Korner, who offered him a gig at his jazz club in
Ealing, where he met Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
Ms Andrews, the mother of Brian's son, said: "One
of the major blights in my life has been never being satisfied with the
verdict on Brian's death.
"It was strange and different working with Tony.
People will have to wait and watch the programme to find out the
results."
Psychic Detective begins on Living TV on May 31 at
10pm.
Miss U.
Message 127 - Monday 18th April 2005
Hello Brian fans,
In response to message #125 - That's funny that you
say that Frank could handle Brian with one hand tied behind his back? If
Brian owned Frank money for material & labour then why has it been said
that the the the work (labour) was not being finished, like the beam in
the kitchen area not being finished & almost falling on Anna? & that
Brian had wanted to fire him & the workers? How could Brian owe Frank
much less the workers money if the work wasn't being done? Were you
there? If what people have said about Frank is wrong & it's not the
Frank you knew then all I ask is did you know Brian? as there's two
sides to every story not just one side of someone who doesn't want to
say who they are (name withheld)? The 'psychic death of stone was
murder' sounds interesting. true fan
Kevin.
Message 128 - Monday 18th April 2005
So, it would seem we are narrowing down the
possibilities as to what happened :
1 The official line , that Brian somehow contrived
to drown himself in the brief moments that Thorogood went into the house
for a towel/ cigarette.
2 Frank got into an argument with Brian over money.
In a fit of pique Thorogood holds Brian under water, possibly to scare
him. Brian drowns. No-one else involved. Tom Keylock arrives at the
house ( called by Thorogood?) and organises the alibi for his mate. This
"understanding" between them is extended even as far as Thorogood's
deathbed "confession".. or Keylock sees Thorogood's death as a chance to
make a little extra money by passing the information on to Terry
Rawlings. No-one can touch Thorogood for the crime as he has passed
away. A win-win situation for both men.
3 As above, EXCEPT there WAS a party at Cotchford (
as has been reported). Many of Franks builders were there , the bullying
and intimidation of Brian was done by several of them ( bombing, ducking
etc). Amidst all this Brian is drowned. Frank decides to take charge
...orders the builders away, calls Keylock and together they concoct the
story which becomes the official version . On his deathbed Frank remains
loyal to the builders, taking the rap for Brian's death and opening the
way for Keylock to pass on this version to Terry Rawlings. Thus
Thorogood might not be the killer, but knew who it was and helped to
cover up the crime.
4 Similar to above, EXCEPT that Brian's death did
not happen in the pool but elsewhere at Cotchford and by other means (
hence the recent searching for further evidence, the call for another
autopsy ).Brian's body thrown into the pool to make it appear like an
accidental drowning. Intimidation of witnesses ensues, with severe
threats of further violence and intimidation.
5 Tom Keylock knows more than he has let on so far
? Maybe he WAS at the house when Brian was killed ???
Dunc
Message 129 - Wednesday 20th April 2005
What ever happened to Janet Lawson, has any one
heard from her, she may hold a few clues to what happened on the night,
and also why was Brians belongings burned, these should have gone
straight to his mother and father.
jason (sunbury on Thames)
Message 130 - Wednesday 20th April 2005
hey BJFC, well after doing some more looking out
for stuff on the film this morning, l found that 'The Wild and Wycked
World of Brian Jones' was only the working title of the movie, it has
now undergone a name change to a relatively appropriate 'Stoned' which
could be down to many reason; The STONEs, drugs and getting STONED etc
etc. if anybody has any news of places to see a trailer though please
write a message in regards to this entry. I have looked on IMDB as l
visit their regularly but there is no sign to me of a trailer on there!
Thanks
Clive Elkington
Message 131 - Thursday 21st April 2005
Clive, you're right about the name change,
but possibly not that the original Wild and Wyckid World title was a
'working title'. The brief article below appeared on the Variety
Magazine website on Sunday 17th April and reading it carefully, it
appears that further finance and help was needed by Stephen Woolley to
get the film distributed, hence the involvement of Intandem Films and
subsequently the move to rename the film - I seriously doubt whether
Stephen Woolley would have been happy changing the title of his
film, especially after all the media pre-publicity on national
television, in national and local newspapers, national and international
magazines and on the internet over the past 18 months.
The reasons you suggest for renaming the film are
perfectly valid but could another reason not be a clever merchandising
ploy? Intandem intend a 'marketing campaign to be aimed at young
audiences unfamiliar with the Rolling Stones' early sound',
and therefore a 'Stoned' logo, with all its implications, on t-shirts
and baseball caps etc. would appeal to the young, rather than the
original, more bulky title.
Also, it's interesting to note that the article
below, although referring to 'Rolling Stones' early sounds', does not
actually include a statement to the fact that the final soundtrack will
include original Stones tracks.......
I hope that the film, no matter what its script
content, contains an element of Brian's contribution to the musical (and
fashion) scene of the 1960's and not the White Stripes or the Kaiser
Chiefs tub-thumping interpretations of early Stones music trying to
complement the genuine atmospheric sounds from the Small Faces and
Traffic. It's great that the younger audience, who might not know the
true input that Brian had in those early days are being targeted, but is
this film likely to give them a true interpretation? Anybody else have a
comment?
Trevor Hobley
Posted: Sun., Apr. 17, 2005, 4:14pm PT
Intandem gets 'Stoned' for 1st release
Picture's marketing campaign will be aimed at young
audiences
By ARCHIE THOMAS
LONDON --- Stephen Woolley's directorial debut,
"Stoned," is poised to be the first theatrical release for Gary Smith's
Intandem Films, which financed and is selling the Brian Jones biopic.
Before founding Intandem 18 months ago, Smith
oversaw the successful launch of Winchester Entertainment's distribution
arm.
"Stoned," which was known as "Wild and Wycked: The
World of Brian Jones" when a promo reel was screened at the Berlin Film
Festival, is a long-gestating labor of love for U.K. producer Woolley.
Woolley's Number 9 Films, whose partners are
Intandem, Film Four, Irish Film Board, Killer Films and Tartan Films,
received £400,000 ($752,000) in development funding from the U.K. Film
Council in December.
Prime pairing
"Stephen has great experience in distribution and
we work well together," Smith said. "Intandem is ready to gear up for
distribution, possibly in partnership with an established distributor."
Intandem has raised $2.35 million in advance of
joining London's Alternative Investment Market later this month.
The "Stoned" marketing campaign will be aimed at
young audiences unfamiliar with the Rolling Stones' early sound. Acts
including the White Stripes, the Bees and the 22-20’s feature alongside
'60s outfits the Small Faces and Traffic on the soundtrack. In addition,
the Kaiser Chiefs have expressed interest in tub-thumping for Woolley's
pic.
Intandem also is handling international sales on
Sam Neill/Susan Sarandon starrer "Irresistible." The picture has been
pre-sold to Icon in the U.K.
© 2005 Reed Business Information
Message 132 - Friday 22nd April 2005
In response to message #127, work frequently does
not get finished when builders are working on a cash in the hand basis.
If, as Frank insisted Brian was not paying him, the natural reaction is
not to complete the work until what is owed is paid. This would seem
logical as by all accounts it was Brian who tried to make amends with
Frank.
No I was not there, but I did know one of the
participants in this sad event. My only point is that in my personal
experience Frank was a fair man.
I did not withhold my name, the webmaster saw fit
not to publish it!
Tony Stock
**** Tony's name was not shown in message #127
because the identity field had unintentionally not been ticked - it is
our policy not to publish names unless given the ok to do so - Keith
(webmaster) ****
Message 133 - Friday 22nd April 2005
Hello! To the person who praised Frank Thorogood
and did not leave a name this I find very interesting. Frank was a big
man. He may have done some good deeds but this does not mean he was this
way all the time. Take for instance a Serial Killer (extreme example
here) named BTK of Dennis Rader of Wichita Kansas. Nice church going
man, loved by the community for the most part, except when as a
compliance officer he had a tendency to be a crazy stalker. He was
married and even had a wife and kids, and he was also devoted. Turns out
even the person you may think know can have a dark side that no one
knows. Frank may have been good at times, but for the most part from
what has been stated he was a raging, violent alcoholic, who ran a shady
construction company and had a mistress.
I would think Frank knew his employees well enough
to say he would talk to Brian and discuss whatever was owed him and
maybe work something out. Like you said Frank was no fool so why kill
the goose who is laying the golden egg? Maybe his employees did not
believe Frank would follow through and took it upon themselves to do
Brian in. Then they thought they would rob him to get their money. What
about Frank being fired from Keith and Mick Jagger's house? Has anyone
ever heard of that? Now about the beam in the kitchen, either Frank did
not watch the work being done or the employees were so drunk and
incompetent that they could not do the job. It has been stated that when
working on Brian's house they would take pieces of tile from one side of
the house and put them on another side to try and fool Brian. And they
were supposedly taking them off of the road too?! What about Frank and
crew keeping Brian inside his house and insulting him and taunting him
while they were working on the house, and then when Brian would order
something for the house or food the crew (and Frank?) would order the
same thing and make Brian pay for it until he caught on. Remember
reading that anyone?! Frank was NOT Mr. Nice Guy (maybe when he felt
like it?) Brian caught on to his shenanigans when the beam almost killed
Anna and got pissed and later started looking into what ripoffs were
going on.
Remember Brian tried to talk to Frank that night
but Frank was still very enraged because of the beam, and Brian demanded
he fix it immediately. Frank and the crew had been drinking very heavily
all day and the whole time they were there so being mad and then getting
drunk is a real bad combination. Read the early AfterMaths it describes
some of the things that happened.
Also want to thank Vladimir Odrljin for the
wonderful Stones article. My city recently buried Johnnie Johnson who
was Chuck Berry's keyboardist and long time good friend. He was buried
in the Veterans Administration Jefferson Barracks Cemetery today. Many
rockers showed up at the funeral home such as Keith Richards and Eric
Clapton and many many others. My friend's brother Jimmy Marsala plays
bass for Chuck Berry and if I ever meet the guy I will try and ask him
if he has ever met Brian and the Stones. But Jimmy's and Calvin mother
died Sunday so Calvin is too despondent to attend another funeral.
I enjoyed your article Dunc I agree with you
wholeheartedly, you have some good theories, and may be true. Kevin you
are a true Brian Jones fan as well. Also is this Psychic Detective on
Living TV being broadcast in the United States? If so does anyone know
where and when on on what cable channels?
Thanks for all the articles here, you are all
fantastic Brian Jones fans and dedicated far beyond expectation. All of
my views are just my humble opinion. Thanks again to all.
Linda Zerr
Message 134 - Saturday 23rd April 2005
Hello Brian Fans,
First off, Thank you Linda for saying I'm a true
Brian fan - I consider that an honor & a compliment! I also would like
to know if the psychic thing will be shown in the US.
The stories about the workers being pissed & getting drunk & messing
with Brian sounds like things got out of control - I sure hope that the
truth comes out. Sure it would be sad if it was found that Brian was
murdered but if that is found to be the case then just imagine what it
would be saying about Brian... It would say that he didn't die from his
own doing & didn't die from drinks & drugs - History would be rewritten
in Brian's favour & things written in the past about Brian would be
questioned like: Brian was out of it, he was gone, too weak to tour, too
ill etc.... - It would be a disservice to Brian's memory if the truth
never came out in that if Brian was murdered & really was getting his
act together towards the end! I found it very positive that Mary Hallet
spoke so nice of Brian like he was a son of hers - Brian obviously moved
a lot of people - he couldn't have been as bad as some books & article
have tried to imply or claim. It was Brian who said in an interview:
"you are really at the mercy of what people write about you & it's sad
that people believe what they read". When someone is talented, good
looking & famous & has a soft spoken elegance in their mannerism - like
Brian was, it's no wonder there's jealousy towards someone like Brian -
even after death! your day is coming Brian!
true fan Kevin.
Message 135 - Saturday 23rd April 2005
Time is on his side!
About the soundtrack. I don't fancy the White
Stripes. Faces & Traffic would be good. The others I never heard of.
About the movie: the other day it occurred to me it
would be better to watch a movie about the producer attempting to make
this movie and attempting to get at the truth, and all the subsequent
roadblocks and barriers, threats along the way on this journey. A bit
similar to The Ninth Gate, starring Johnny Dep, director Roman Polanski.
Brian Fan #666
Message 136 - Sunday 24th April 2005
In regards to message #131, from Trevor Hobley: lm
only 16, the reason iv become so interested in Brian Jones alone is
because I was chose as an extra for the film along with other guys
around the same age as me! we were in a scene as school boys from Brians
School, the badges we had pinned to our uniform said 'The Prince Of
Wales School' if I remember rightly. I'm not sure whether this was
actually Brians (Secondary) School, I presume so though. The scene was
of Brian at a swimming competition and I was a prefect, to which, didn't
like Brian, for a reason beyond my knowledge, I jus did what the
director said :-D
I also totally agree with where your coming from
about the name change, I say that 'The Wild and Wycked World of Brian
Jones' was the working title was because that is what it said at:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426627/ and scroll down part way to the
middle, under 'Also known as'. I laughed at the part where you said
about having 'Stoned' on a t-shirt rather than 'The Wild .....' as I
know its so true. Some handy information there, thank you very much!
Also please if anyone able to let me know of a
place to find a trailer for the movie on the net, please write in this
discussion forum on how I can see it, thanks!
Clive Elkington
Message 137 - Monday 25th April 2005
Hi everyone.
The Brian Jones Psychic detective programme is part
of Living TV's autumn schedule in the UK. It is usual for this programme
to be repeated on FTN. Programmes are often sold to New Zealand. However
I have heard of no broadcast in the states at present.
There has been talk of release on DVD. I will post
exact transmission times and dates as soon as I know them. I should
think this story might be of interest to state side channels and will
let you know if this does happen.
This programme is at present in production so I'm
afraid I cant give you more details as yet. However I will post
transmission information as and when I have it.
My personal thanks to Trevor Hobley and his
considerable help, without whom it would not have been possible.
yours Jeff Leahy
Message 138 - Tuesday 3rd May 2005
I hope this wasn't another dig...
Better Than Suicide
(New York City, May 2, 2005) -- When asked recently
about the Stones' plans for 2005, Keith quipped, "Another Rolling Stones
album! Another monster tour! Same old story, pal. It's better than
suicide, right?"
and this is weird:
http://www.da27.com/
Miss U.
Message 139 - Thursday 5th May 2005
Speaking of the Psychic who will speak about
Brian's death, over here we have the A&E channel, Court TV and maybe the
History Channel may be interested. Court TV is on the net and so it A&E.
Why do they think British TV will be the only one interested in Brian's
death?
If you go to Rocks Off Stones on the net, you will
see the forum for the Stones. There is a thread (subject line)
indicating pictures from the movie about Brian. Very interesting but no
one looks like Brian and Monet Mazur is much more beautiful than Anita
was. (in my own opinion) Suggest you look at the pictures of you get a
chance, they are different, shall I say. I agree with you Kevin, very
good. We shall see what goes. Now when is the movie supposed to be
coming about, when someone knows for sure please share. Thanks to all.
Linda Zerr
Message 140 - Saturday 7th May 2005
Good Day! I just got off of the forum Rocks Off and
under the thread "Stoned" there is a copy of a short article where Bill
Wyman states that the movie is "rubbish". He also goes on to say that
Brian was breathing when they found him and that Anna Wohlin was staying
with them after the incident to hide her from the press and then goes on
to say that if anything would have happened she would have told him and
his wife/lady friend everything that happened. Like what's wrong with
this picture? Was he breathing when they found him, and if so why did he
pass? And do you think Anna Wohlin would have told Bill Wyman EVERYTHING
about the incident that night?
Anyway if any of you good folks wish to observe this for yourselves, the
site is Rocks Off Stones and then go to the message board once you are
in the site. I would really like to hear what other Brian Jones
dedicated die hard fans think. Thanks.
Linda Zerr
Message 141 - Sunday 8th May 2005
If Bill was "told everything that happened" by
Anna, why didn't he put those details into "Stone Alone", his
autobiography ?
Plus, there is still the possibility of Anna being
intimidated and TOLD what to say.
The possibility about Brian still breathing when
"found" has been mentioned before. I think it was said that he gripped
either Anna's or Janet Lawson's hand during attempts at artificial
respiration.
Dunc
Message 142 - Friday 13th May 2005
OK, Miss U, I have a lot of respect for you as I've
been following this forum for quite a while. However, I have to disagree
with you on this one. I think Keith's latest comment "Better than
another suicide" or whatever, ("I know I'm not getting the quote
exactly"), is just Keith being Keith. I really don't believe that Brian
was on his mind when he said that. Come on, it's been 36 years. I do
think he has a lot of guilt. But I don't think this particular comment
had anything to do with it. Did you ever hear that story about Ron Wood
picking up one of Brian's guitars and Keith flipped out about it? The
man's no angel, but this time I think it was just a simple comment.
Also, I don't think Anna would have confided in Bill. Why would she?
Since when was she so chummy with Bill? I think she was scared shitless
and kept her mouth shut. At least back then when this was all taking
place. Ok, last comment, supposedly Brian was still alive when they
pulled him out. Anna supposedly gave him artificial respiration, (of
course at that time the papers had to dramatize it and call it the "kiss
of life"). And it's been widely reported that he gave her hand a squeeze
before he finally died. The whole thing just sucks ass. OK, I lied, one
more comment, I finally found a Stones tribute band worthy of the Stones
themselves. I am a very harsh critic. However, these guys are really
good. If any of you ever get to Orange County, Ca - look them up. Their
website is www.jjflash.biz. They are worth the trip if you're local at
all. The pics on their website do not do them justice at all. Really
fun, really talented and they take the music seriously. Not just f-ing
around. See ya!
Erin
Message 143 - Friday 13th May 2005
I was led to believe that the premiere of this film
was to be at Cannes film festival, by various articles. I have been in
Cannes for two days now and can find no mention of it. It is not in
competition, out of competition or Certain Regard categories. It is not
featuring in any of the major venues and I have seen no publicity for
it.
I have been in the industry for over thirty years
and I have already given my opinion of the film, having seen a preview
(message 114, 122). If it is on somewhere in Cannes, it has a very low
profile and will be overlooked, as the festival this year has a very
high standard.
Dave M
Message 144 - Friday 13th May 2005
Intandem films have a page about the film (now
renamed "Stoned") at
http://www.intandemfilms.com/movies/brian_jones.htm complete with
some still pictures from the film.
Keith (Webmaster)
Message 145 - Friday 13th May 2005
I hope you're right, Erin; it struck me as a very
odd comment/joke.
Here's some news about the Stones supporting
Wooley's film:
http://users7.cgiforme.com/rsto/messages/265.html
Miss U
Message 146 - Friday 13th May 2005
Thanks for the info & being able to browse all the
websites is still a novelty to me, but this now called Stoned film is
becoming cheaper and tackier as the months go by and the proposed
`poster` looks vile like a typical 80`s b-movie....not good.
Tracey
Message 147 - Saturday 14th May 2005
Here is the schedule for the Stoned screening at
Cannes, although it may now be a little bit late:
STONED
Sat 14th May @ 6pm
Sun 15th May @ 6pm
Both screenings are in Olympia 1
Hopefully these are of help to some people.
Clive Elkington
Message 148 - Tuesday 17th May 2005
Did anyone from the uk see the article about Brian
Jones on ceefax page 501 the entertainment news, on there was a piece
about Brian and it was about the rolling stone given there go ahead for
the film, and it also stated there was a 4th person there. Was this
person Janet lawson, I read the person was interviewed given new
evidence. How true was this statement.
Jason - (this message was posted on the guestbook
17th May)
Message 149 - Wednesday 18th May 2005
Jason, yes there's been a lot of conjecture on who
the mysterious 4th person was but I think this article from Cannes,
printed in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday, Tuesday 17th May makes
clear that Janet Lawson is Stephen Woolley's 'ace in the hole' witness
whose testament he's based his ending on.
Trevor
From the Sydney Morning Herald - May 17th 2005
The Rolling Stones have given their blessing to a
new film which claims finally to solve the mystery behind the death of
guitarist Brian Jones. Jones was found dead in his swimming pool in
1969, aged 27, and was initially thought to have died from a drink and
drugs overdose. But director Stephen Woolley has uncovered new evidence
from a woman who was at the star's Sussex mansion on the night he died.
Her story has been used in Stoned, which claims
Jones was killed by his builder Frank Thorogood - either in an act of
murder or manslaughter. Surviving Stones Mick Jagger and Keith Richards
were thought to be unhappy about the project. But Woolley said: "They
have given me a message of support and Mick has said good luck with it.
From what I have heard they have no problem with the film or what we are
about. Looking back at some of the interviews Keith did in the '70s, he
was very suspicious about the events of that night."
Jagger and Richards are portrayed in the film by
actors Luke de Woolfson and Ben Whishaw, while Charlie Watts is played
by James D White. But they were not consulted about the film and Woolley
said: "I didn't involve them because I didn't want it to be a film about
the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones are much bigger than the
individual members of the group themselves. I didn't want to embroil
myself with the corporate machine that the Stones have become."
Jones had been sacked from the band days before his
death due to his wild behaviour and drug addiction. The film is based on
three books which were written about Jones's death, including one by his
girlfriend Anna Wohlin. Woolley, producer of Scandal and The Crying
Game, spent 10 years researching the project and bought the rights to
the books. It was always accepted that Jones, Wohlin and Thorogood were
at Jones's home on the night he died. But Woolley hired a private
detective to track down a fourth person who had never told her story
before.
Speaking at the movie's launch at the Cannes Film
Festival, Woolley refused to discuss her identity. But he has named her
in the past as Janet Lawson, a London nurse and Thorogood's girlfriend
who changed her name to avoid publicity. "For years I was worried about
the ending," Woolley said last year. "There were too many questions left
unanswered. But Janet Lawson turned out to be my ace in the hole. From
what she told me about what happened that night, I have my ending."
The director would not reveal whether that ending
reveals the death to be murder or manslaughter. His film chronicles the
relationship between the rock star and East End builder Thorogood, who
was hired to renovate his home and became drawn into his debauched
world. One theory is that the pair rowed over money and Thorogood pushed
Jones under the water in a fit of anger. Thorogood died in 1993 and
reportedly confessed to the killing on his deathbed, saying: "It was me
that did Brian. I just finally snapped."
Jones is played in the film by 26-year-old actor
Leo Gregory, while Paddy Considine plays Thorogood. Gregory said: "I
didn't know much about Brian but when I read the script I fell in love
with it. When I got the part I read all the books about him and immersed
myself in everything Brian. I had a short time to cram in everything
about his life, his personality and his music. "Playing such a
multi-faceted guy as Brian is an actor's dream."
Woolley auditioned dozens of actors to play the
Stones, even looking at Mick Jagger impersonators. He said: "We wanted
people that vaguely looked the same and I did look at a couple of
look-alike Mick Jaggers, but it was preposterous.” A younger audience
seeing this film don't know what the Rolling Stones looked like in the
'60s so it was more important to get good actors and good performances."
Janet Lawson will be played in the film by Amelia
Warner, the 22-year-old former wife of Colin Farrell. The film also
features David Morrissey as the Stones' road manager Tom Keylock, Tuva
Novotny as Anna Wohlin and Monet Mazur as Jones's former girlfriend
Anita Pallenberg. Little Britain star David Walliams plays the band's
accountant.
The film is set for release in the New Year.
Message 150 - Thursday 19th May 2005
Alrighty then! I have no bad feelings with any of
the surviving stones Bill Wyman is dead against the film but Mick &
Keith are o.k baby with it.... Now Bill has defended Brian to the hilt
in his books & Glos Echo articles, so obviously this film is going to
put back all Brians fans hard work if it is to portray him in a crap
light all over again????
tracey, xxxx
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