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The Death of Brian Jones
The Wild and Wycked
World of Brian Jones
Message 151 - Saturday 21st May 2005
Well, I just read on the internet that "Stoned" was
not even accepted into the Cannes Film Festival. I wondered about that
because I could not find anything on it when I looked under all kinds of
info about the festival. If you folks check under Getty Images there are
pics of the actresses/actors from the film. Leo looks much better
without the blond wig and clothes-cannot do Brian justice-but Leo is
cute!
Speaking of Keith freaking out when Ronnie wanted
to use one of Brian guitars, sure would like to see what Keith and the
guys would do if Leo(?) would go on stage dressed as Brian!? Wouldn't
that be interesting? It is just a thought-no offence to Brian. Course it
would be a surprise! I bet Keith would lose it good! Poor Keef if you
haven't lost it already. Yes the wonderful Glimmer Goons. Anyway is
anyone going to a Stones concert this year or next? Tickets are around
$700.00 and up. Fans must be paying for all that GAS that is used to
transport all their entourage of trucks and stuff around the countries.
They are coming to my city supposedly in December 2005.
Anyway when is this film about Brian going to be
released? Has anyone seen a trailer or a glimpse of it at all lately?
Remember BRIAN JONES LIVES ON WITH US IN OUR HEARTS
- STAY TOGETHER AND KEEP HIS MEMORY ALIVE! I THINK HIS SPIRIT WHICH HAS
COME BACK DOWN TO EARTH NOW WOULD REALLY LOVE IT!!
Linda Zerr
Message 152 - Sunday 22nd May 2005
Hello Brian fans,
Linda, I agree with you on why did Brian pass on
after he was breathing. The article on Bill Wyman says that Bill says
that Anna would have told him if something happened? so since Anna
didn't then nothing happened??? & the article says that Bill says that
Brian wasn't murdered & that the movie is rubbish. Bill wasn't at
Brian's house when Brian died. Also Linda, I agree with you that no one
looks like Brian - Leo in the wig looks nothing like Brian & doesn't
have Brian's aura - Leo looks more like he's from the early 70's - the
hairs too straight - almost reminded me of the mosquitoes (the rock band
that got stranded on Gilligan's island on an episode of Gilligan's
Island (laughs). And Tracey, yes the poster for the movie looks vile
like it's for an 80's B-movie. So Bill is against the movie & the Stones
are for it? hmmm... I hope that the movie doesn't show Brian just
partying & drinking at the End, BUT it doesn't really matter because the
movie - if it's bad & doesn't do Brian justice then it will fade away
quickly! Either way due to all you Brian fans out there and the web -
Brian Jones will never be forgotten - Brian's legacy will only get more
famous & brighter!
True fan, Kevin.
Message 153 - Sunday 22nd May 2005
Go to
www.maroon5.com and
click on "links" and "discography"....look at the 2 photos on these
pages and tell me that does not look like Brian!!! Wearing a striped
shirt a la Brian. I don't know the name of this guitarist, anyone know?
Also if you go to the audio/video section, watch
the video "She will be loved", the guitarist wearing the
suit....resemblance even the biting of his lower lip, same expression!!
Miss U.
Message 154 - Sunday 22nd May 2005
just again looking around for anymore news on the
movie as I do quite regularly to try and find a release date or
something and iv just found this on IMDB:
Film Alleges That Stones Founder Jones Was Murdered
16 May 2005 (Studio Briefing)
A British film about Rolling Stones founder Brian
Jones that suggests that Jones was murdered in 1969 has the backing of
Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, according to the film's director,
Stephen Woolley. The film, named Stoned and shown at the Cannes Film
Festival on Friday, is reportedly based on three books about Jones's
mysterious death. (Numerous writers have taken Jagger and Richards to
task for not attempting to rescue Jones when he spiralled into drug and
alcohol addiction prior to his death. "Brian was a child," Richards
remarked after Jones's death.) Woolley said at Cannes on Friday that he
had located a woman who was at the rock star's home on the night of his
death and had new evidence.
it seems there are many mixed opinions on the film
and who has approved of it etc etc but I'm not sure what and where to
believe as so many people are saying different things and/or different
reasons for certain areas of the film :s maybe this article may help to
clear some of that up :s
Clive Elkington
Message 155 - Monday 23rd May 2005
have a look at this :
http://img170.echo.cx/img170/2272/garen2eu.jpg
DJAsh
Message 156 - Saturday 28th May 2005
Tracey, good point. I wonder if Bill has seen an
advance preview of the film? If the film portrays his complexity it
would be ok, but if it paints him just negatively, we can only hope it
will generate a buzz to get people to read more on him.
Stoned has not won any awards at Cannes. I also
read a report on Cannes that said a lot of the films had a common theme
of "irresponsible fathers"....wonder if that includes Stoned.
Miss U.
Message 157 - Thursday 2nd June 2005
I share the opinion that the establishment sought
to make an example of Brian's death (we all know, they'd been after the
guy for years!!) hence the misadventure tag. His death can't have been
properly investigated if a film maker is able to allegedly locate
witnesses present, who were not interviewed by the police at the time of
his death. I await the film with interest!
a fan
Message 158 - Thursday 9th June 2005
Greetings! Well after all this I wonder if we will
EVER see that movie "Stoned" or not. I found out on the web that Leo is
26 and has 3 younger bros who are triplets.
There is a new BJ site on MSN called
TheLateGreatBrianJones. It was started by a woman in my town. Check it
out and see what ya'all think. Also check out Redferns Music Picture
Library there are more pics of Brian I had not seen before. I recently
purchased Sympathy for the Devil about the Stones and it is basically
the same stuff the other books had. But a few added tidbits that are no
different than any other rock star did.
If anyone should see anything that moves about the
movie Stoned please let me know. I would like to know why it was not
accepted in the Cannes Film Festival. Oh another thing, there is a group
called RollinStoned in the UK and they are really "cute" The one that
plays Brian Jones looks very striking as Brian. They have a website and
I subscribed to their newsletters. They were really nice and seemed to
appreciate Brian, and have very good sense of humor.
Bless You All!
Linda Zerr
Message 159 - Saturday 11th June 2005
"For him, the Stones were clearly true blues
enthusiasts, unlike many American bands. He said that they, along with
other English blues-influenced bands of the era, were special "because
they jumped over the Elvis syndrome and went right to the doorstep of
the real players - and learned one-on-one from what they were hearing".
He congratulated Brian Jones and Bill Wyman for "listening outside their
experience", with special praise for Jones for recording in Morocco with
the hereditary musicians in Jajouka, and so becoming arguably the first
British rock star to take an active interest in Africa."
Here's the whole article:
Blues traveller
Taj Mahal's globetrotting has brought him into
contact with everyone from the Rolling Stones to a band of Saharan
nomads. Robin Denselow meets the man who has taken the phrase 'world
music' to a new level
Friday June 10, 2005 - The Guardian
'I didn't need to go to school to study
Afro-musicology' ... Taj Mahal
It's getting on for midnight at the Blue Note, down
in New York's Greenwich Village, and the blues guitarist on stage is
clearly enjoying himself. It's a hot night, there's an enthusiastic
capacity crowd that includes Sven-Goran Eriksson and a selection of
British soccer celebs, and Taj Mahal is doing what he does best. His big
band are no longer with him, and instead he's back leading his
long-serving trio. Bill Rich is on bass, Kester Smith on drums, and the
nimble but bulky singer is up front, playing slinky, rhythmic,
finger-picking guitar as he purrs and growls through old favourites like
Creole Belle, Fishin' Blues and Queen Bee. "I wasn't playing as much
guitar with the large band," he said afterwards, "and the older
musicians like Howlin' Wolf and Lightnin' Hopkins used to say that the
song should stand on his own." For his encore he switches direction
again, announcing the gently drifting, atmospheric instrumental
Zanzibar, influenced by the East African island where his last album,
Mkutano, was recorded.
Now 63, Taj Mahal is as enthusiastic as ever. He
may have started out working with Ry Cooder and getting help from the
Rolling Stones, and he may have played in the past with such West
African virtuosos as Toumani Diabate and guitarist Ali Farka Touré, but
in Zanzibar he was faced with a very different culture. Here, he worked
alongside the island's best-known musicians, the Culture Music Club, the
longest-established band anywhere in Africa. They are exponents of
Taraab, a style influenced by the Arabic roots of the Swahili-speaking
traders who settled on the island, along with echoes of Indian styles.
Wasn't that a long way from the blues, even for a
traveller like himself? "Well, I don't know if it is a long way from the
blues, because many of the blues people who came to the United States
had been converted to Islam, and the style fell off from that, and got
mixed in with Celtic music and different African forms. But there
clearly is an Arabic influence in East Africa, and I enjoyed that a
lot." Taj Mahal is a great man to talk to, but far harder to interview,
simply because he is so enthusiastic that he constantly darts from
subject to subject. Asked about his early interest in African music, he
replied: "The connection has always been there, but knowledge of that
connection ... well, just reading about it is like reading Kant or Freud
... you read a lot of words but there's not a lot of juice. I didn't
need to go to school to study Afro-musicology."
His father, who came from from the Caribbean island
of St Kitts, had discussed going back to Africa "but never lived long
enough to fulfil that dream", and Taj Mahal himself first visited the
continent "on some government cultural exchange programme" back in 1979.
Along with his current rhythm section, he toured right across Africa:
"From Senegal, Niger and the Congo down to Kenya and Zambia, playing all
the time, with some big concerts and workshops, and meeting young
musicians who had never heard music from outside their own village." He
went on to record with the Gambian musician Al Haj Bai Kante, and later
with Diabate, the Malian kora virtuoso .
Last year, at the London Barbican, Taj Mahal made a
stirring appearance alongside Tinariwen, the exponents of desert blues
from the Sahara. They had met for the first time in a rehearsal room the
previous day, and it was a lesson in diplomacy to watch how Mahal
chatted to them briefly (in French), listened to what they were doing,
and then joined in, now sounding like some north African answer to
Howlin' Wolf.
If there is a new, global music scene involving
interaction between different artists, then Taj Mahal has been one of
the pioneers. Brought up in Springfield, Massachusetts, back in the days
when he was still known as Henry Saint Claire Fredericks, he grew up in
a background where "music was like walking into the street and breathing
air". His father had been a musician, and his Jamaican stepfather built
a bar and a sound system into the basement of the family house. "The
Jamaicans would all come round - many of them used to come north to pick
crops." While still at school he started playing guitar, and taking an
interest in the blues. "I met up with some guys from Carolina and
Mississippi with southern blues roots. So I lucked up. If I had missed
that I would have just been a listener."
It took time for him to become professional. He
worked on tobacco and then dairy farms to make the money to send himself
to college "to be an example to my brothers and sisters" (he was the
oldest of nine children in the family). He earned a degree in
agriculture and animal husbandry "because I loved anything outdoors",
and started playing at Amhurst with the Pioneer Valley Folklore Society.
Then he started a band, the Elektras - "playing R&B because I couldn't
find musicians to play the old blues stuff" - and travelled to the New
York clubs or the Newport folk festival to check out the great veteran
bluesmen.
His first, typically uneasy, brush with the
recording industry came in 1966, when he moved to Los Angeles with his
then musical partner, Jesse Lee Kincaid. Kincaid was friends with a
young local guitarist, Ry Cooder, and together they decided to start a
band, the Rising Sons, "demonstrating guitars at a place called the
Teenage Fair, and just playing straight-ahead, right-off delta blues".
He remembers Cooder as a musician who "only sang background now and
then, but was a fantastic multi-instrumentalist - just incredible. The
possibilities working with him were astounding." The record companies
didn't see it the same way, and the Sons broke up "all mired and bogged
down with legalese".
Since then, Taj Mahal and Cooder have followed a
remarkably similar path. Both had links with the Rolling Stones, and
both have strong connections with Africa (Cooder recorded the classic
album Talkin' Timbuktu with Touré, while Taj Mahal recorded another fine
set, Kalanjan, with Diabate, Touré's current musical partner). "In
actuality", says Taj Mahal, "Ali came to me and I was in the middle of a
lot of things so we didn't get plugged in ... so I guess that Ry was his
number two choice ... but Ry recorded with him and they did some really
wonderful things."
Could he imagine ever playing with Cooder again?
"Never say never, but it certainly hasn't worked out. I haven't seen Ry
in ... Jeez, I don't know how long. He's somewhat of a recluse and he's
an eccentric kind of guy. When I met him he was 17 but he could have
been 50 years old already."
When the Rising Sons fell apart, Taj Mahal went on
to win a cult following with solo albums like The Natch'l Blues and
Giant Step, and was now helped by publicity from the Rolling Stones, who
invited him to play alongside themselves, John Lennon, Eric Clapton and
The Who in their Rock'n'Roll Circus in 1968. "That was fantastic. They
completely opened the whole thing up to us, and they were real people."
For him, the Stones were clearly true blues
enthusiasts, unlike many American bands. He said that they, along with
other English blues-influenced bands of the era, were special "because
they jumped over the Elvis syndrome and went right to the doorstep of
the real players - and learned one-on-one from what they were hearing".
He congratulated Brian Jones and Bill Wyman for "listening outside their
experience", with special praise for Jones for recording in Morocco with
the hereditary musicians in Jajouka, and so becoming arguably the first
British rock star to take an active interest in Africa.
As for what happens next, Taj Mahal is open to
suggestions. It's possible that he'll get together again with the Hula
Blues, the band that resulted from the 15 years he spent living in
Hawaii before moving to California. Then again, if it hadn't been for a
clash of schedules, he had hoped to re-explore his Caribbean roots by
touring alongside the British poet Linton Kwesi Johnson: "I'm sure
something would have happened. We would have connected."
Before any of that takes place, Taj Mahal is
playing an 11-date tour with his trio this month, and on most of the
shows he will be appearing alongside yet another fine Malian guitarist,
the lilting and, at times, blues-influenced Idrissa Soumaoro. So will he
be involved in yet another African collaboration, this time with
Soumaoro, who he has yet to meet? "We'll see what happens. I'm open.
It's just another song down the road."
· Taj Mahal plays the Anvil, Basingstoke (box
office: 01256 844244), on Sunday, then tours.
Miss U.
Message 160 - Saturday 11th June 2005
http://www.xfm.co.uk/Article.asp?b=news&id=92293
Miss U.
Message 161 - Friday 17th June 2005
Hello fellow Brian Jones fans !!
Since I have last written my views on Brian I have
noticed a drop off in overall comments on the life of Brian. Let us not
let a movie - which we hope does well - forget who Brian was all about.
He was an innovator not only with the Stones but the Beatles, Bob Dylan
and countless others who all followed his musical path... I wonder if
Mick and Keith still sit down together and while writing a song say out
loud "I wonder what Brian would have put on this song?" Any instrument
he chose would have added a certain texture that the Stones have never
captured since Brian left the band. Anyways that is my opinion - some
would obviously disagree - but I would guess Mick and Keith wish he were
still around...especially now. It has been awhile since the "Glamour
Twins" have really put out anything worth while. Yet they are going out
on tour again! They should get Bill back in for one last hurrah and
dedicate this last tour to Brian... because if it were not for Brian we
would not be rushing to buy the tickets, CD's that makes all of those
guys plenty of money. At least Mick, Keith and Charlie can anyway. Bill
- if you read this - I know you are retired but get off your a-- before
its too late and get back on the road!! You have always said Brian was
the "spirit" of the Stones' dedicate this one to your Ol' mate!! Anyway,
I would if I were you. This is George saying, as always, I like reading
all of your comments... just send more of them!!
Thanks, George.
Message 162 - Monday 20th June 2005
Where does this little punk get off claiming he had
to 'lose some of his masculinity' to play Brian? This is another reason
why I won't see the movie! Brian had more 'masculinity' in his little
finger than this jackass leo could ever hope to have in his obviously
peanut sized scrotum!
Sharon Johnson
Message 163 - Wednesday 22nd June 2005
I agree with the comments about not letting the
film bother us & take over the reason we keep visiting this site... we
all have different opinions but I couldn't give a damn about high flying
actors, stupid film festivals and all the hype & shit that goes with
it!! yes I've let off steam about this film in the past, but I'd rather
get book down from the shelf, inflict The Stones on my poor neighbours
or read what all you brilliant fans are thinking! stuff the film, it
will be yesterdays news soon... BRIAN'S MEMORY matters as he was not
what people think he was.
love to you all,
tracey xxxxx
Message 164 - Saturday 2nd July 2005
I have just discovered this forum which covers the
alleged murder of Brian Jones. I would be grateful if you could post
this to the forum on my behalf. I met Frank Thorogood in 1977 when I
worked at Ramus Tile Company in Wood Green, London where Frank was
employed as the building maintenance guy who conducted various building
works. Frank was a real character, he was also a generous individual who
managed a local senior soccer team called Genesis. Franks son in law Gus
captained the side. Frank heard that I had played at a reasonable level
and as I lived nearby we walked to my house while we discussed the
possibility of me turning out for Genesis.
Frank came in for tea and chatted with my wife. On
the way out he noted that our front drive needed re-screeding. Frank
told me to buy the materials and offered to carry out the work for a
minimal fee. Frank did the job and I joined Genesis. I met Franks wife
Ivy and for 2/3 years I trained with Genesis and socialised with Frank
and Gus. Frank told me about his past; a fight with one of north
London’s hard men that left him blind in one eye; his work for the
Stones and the night Brian died.
Frank was a tough guy, but in 3 years I never saw him lose his temper.
Brian Jones would have irritated him and he certainly could have done
Jones harm. While Frank drank a fair bit, once or twice a week, he was
very fit. He worked as a plasterer and builder and had to be in
reasonable shape. He was around 50 when he worked for us and he carried
out a hard task with no problem.
During several drinking sessions after training
Frank was asked by Gus and others including me what happened that night.
At no time did he ever admit to murdering or harming Jones. He said
Jones was rude to his crew who had not been paid consistently because
Brian would get the money and spend it. A lot of the work was cash - no
tax. Frank told me that Jones laughed and said, "Show me your invoice."
He didn’t think much of Jones, but said he was fine
when he was not "stoned'. Apparently Jones owed money to other people
and was not liked by Jagger.
Frank was fitter and stronger than Jones and he was
capable of violence, but I repeat, in 3 years I saw no evidence of it.
He was not the kind to let anyone take advantage but he was a good
friend to me, always polite to my family, generous to others. He often
paid the match fees out of his own pocket .He smoked, drank and worked
hard. Frank lived in a council flat, he had no extra money. When I knew
him he was dedicated to his wife Ivy.
I got on well with Frank and I caution anyone who
says he murdered Brian Jones to think long and hard about the
consequences of their actions. I hope his family sue the makers of this
film if they come to any conclusions that cannot be substantiated. I for
one heard Frank deny any knowledge of what happened to Brian - and I
believed him. The harm done to his character is there for all to see in
posts like # 34, by someone who never met Frank yet spews hate at him.
That character sounds more dangerous than the Frank Thorogood I knew.
Tony Stock.
Message 165 - Saturday 2nd July 2005
Hello Brian Fans,
Miss U-that was nice of you to post about Taj Mahal
& what he said about Brian-very informative. Linda - what is the exact
name of the MSN Brian site (theLateGreatBrianJones)that you spoke of?
Yes george, I agree with you that the Stones should dedicate the tour to
Brian. I've recently seen the cover of the new DVD of Monterey Pop & you
can Brian in the upper right corner-cool! Sharon - Yes I agree with you
on the Leo comment 'lose some masculinity to play Brian' - Brian was
only about 5'8 like myself but he certainly didn't look unmasculine at
all - he actually looked more buff & stock than a typical rock star and
It was even mentioned from Brian's autopsy that he was found to be very
strong! The movie? - the response seems to be very negative & no good
for Brian - The pics are a joke & the wig doesn't look right at all! The
movie will fade away & be forgotten & it'd be funny if it didn't make it
to theatres much less DVD - we'll see! I have a page dedicated to Brian
on my website: (www.krmusicalproducts.com) heck - it's another way to
help Brian's memory & musicians can discover Brian while checking out my
site. God Bless the staff of BJFC & all you fans who post here & in the
guest book. It's been 36 years now since you've left us Brian but we
will be remembering you this weekend of July 2nd-3rd - LONG LIVE BRIAN
JONES - RIP BRIAN JONES
True Fan Kevin.
Message 166 - Sunday 3rd July 2005
I initially planned a trip to Gloucestershire on
personal business and while I was waiting for appointments and paperwork
I decided to do some investigative work. I kept my trip to
Gloucestershire and Sussex private as I did not want anyone to know why
I was there, what I was doing, or whom I planned on interviewing. I
know, in the past, people have disclosed information whether by accident
(just letting it slip) or intentional. This way I was able to talk to
people "cold" and they did not have time to prepare a canned response.
Some of the information I collected is intentionally left out and/or
edited.
Next I have good reason to believe that Anna W. was
either dating or sleeping with someone else other that Brian WHILE she
was living under his roof. She may have been pregnant, but it could have
been someone else's child. Also, some of the information I collected
indicated that Anna was a groupie and had been with several people,
Brian was just one of the people she had been with in the months prior
to her moving into Cotchford Farm. Also, by several accounts, there were
times when Brian was incapacitated either due to ill health or other
substances. Anna was a young woman no different than a lot of the women
of the 60s. Anna had been seen several times in the company of the
"workers" at the local pub without the company of Brian. Also, according
to one witness she and Brian had words on several occasions. Apparently,
when Brian had "tied a couple" he could be a little vocal. So not
everything between her and Brian was smooth, no different than many of
his relationships.
Not to waste time, I checked out some patents for
medications and checked out the possible side effects/history of certain
drugs. This way a timeline for the actual medications down to the
inhalers and their ingredients, prescription schedules and procedures
could be established as they stood in 1969. There is a good/very
probable possibility that someone else other than Brian got the
prescription for a certain medication and gave them to Brian either with
or without his knowledge.
According to the information I was able to obtain,
the way the paperwork that Brian signed/agreed to with the Stones was
that he would get a cut of the money that they received from any
lawsuits with Klein. Further, they agreed that Brian would get a per
annum amount, but that would be based on future sales of records and any
amounts left owed to the band members not yet paid, to be divided
between the Stones. They did not know what the amount would be at that
time. However, all indications show that the Stones were building a case
against Klein even prior to Brian's departure from the band. Upon review
of the actual case summaries, I noted that the amounts claimed against
Klein were substantially more than the amount settled. Turns out that
later the actual amount in BPS that Brian would have received under the
lawsuit was $250,000 which actually amounted to approximately £100,000
using the conversion scale in effect for that time frame. Hence the
rumor of the £100,000 owed Brian. However, this amount was not decided
until almost 2 yrs after his death. For some strange reason, they
initially did not think the lawsuit would take this long. But we, I and
a solicitor, could find no clear reason why they would or could possibly
think this. A kind solicitor helped me to obtain some info I wanted.
Yes, I did lookup and have the case numbers of all the lawsuits,
including other non-Stone lawsuits against Klein. It gave me a real
interesting look at the way the man operated.
By the way, Trevor could be right there could have
been a mark behind Brian's ear. But what if the mark were a scratch that
was more likely made from a woman's nails? How would Frank, or any man
for that matter, have made the mark? Really think about it.
However, a curious question did come up. If Anna
knew that someone had observed her with someone other than Brian during
that time frame, would she get spooked and run? And does/did Keylock
know this? Which leads to what someone had said to me a while ago, that
the cover-up might have been because people in the house did not want
people/their wives/girlfriends/Brian to know that they were messing
around. However, the solicitor in question did bring up an interesting
point. Could someone in the house have just wanted Brian to go to sleep
so they could carry out their "affairs" so to speak and inadvertently
gave him a lethal dose/combination of drugs that interacted with the
alcohol consumed? Not a conspiracy as such, that may have come later to
cover up what happened, but just a simple mistake of a person not
realizing how quickly the drug would take effect nor the toxicity of the
combination of drugs (this is still considered as second degree
manslaughter). Also the unidentified yellow/orange stain may have been
and most probably was caused by hydrochloride which was made when
hydrochloric acid was added to the synthetic diphenhydramine crystals
which causes diphenhydramine to turn into hydrochloric salt. These
crystals can show up yellow to yellow orange as the yellow is a mixture
of a spectrum of red to green which shows up as various yellow hues in
tests.
In 1969 certain precautions for diphenhydramine
were not generally known nor were they given out to the patient taking
methaqualone. One such precaution was this drug should not be given to
an asthmatic patient because the drug caused problems with the
respiratory system: thickening of bronchial secretions, tightness of
chest or throat and wheezing, plus too much of this medication in the
system can cause confusion, difficulty breathing and passing out. This
medication has an additive effect with alcohol. Alcoholic beverages are
a well-known contributor to drowning; 80 percent of drownings in adult
males are associated with alcohol use. With 7 whiskey's even the normal
adult dose of this drug can be lethal to an asthmatic treated with
theophylline. Theophylline causes numerous problems. Approximately 50%
of the treated patients experience side-effects.
The long-term effects of methaqualone include
anemia, impairment of liver function (upon autopsy there was noted liver
abnormalities), chronic intoxication (headache, impaired vision, slurred
speech) and depression which is why Brian more than likely started
having liver problems, some people are more susceptible to liver
problems, but no one knows exactly why. Withdrawal symptoms include
restlessness, anxiety, insomnia, delirium, convulsions and even death.
Effects can include confusion, combativeness, increased libido, anxiety,
delirium, paranoid hallucinations, panic states, and suicidal or
homicidal tendencies. These symptoms occur more often in mentally ill
persons. Fatigue and depression usually follow. Chronic users more
frequently exhibit abnormal mental conditions such as psychotic
reactions with vivid hallucinations and paranoid delusions. In the case
of fatal overdoses, the amphetamine dosage has not been determined as it
is different for each person. Death does not occur immediately but after
several hours. The subject experiences agitation, hypothermia,
convulsions, unconsciousness, and respiratory and/or cardiac failure.
Even though a person has overdosed, they can appear "normal" for several
hours after the overdose.
In 1965, Methaqualone was sold by Roussel labs in
combination with an antihistamine under the name Mandrax. It was not
until 1971 that Methaqualone became regulated in Britain under the UK
Misuse of Drugs Act due to its increasing popularity as a recreational
drug and the lethal qualities of the drug.
Barbiturates (such as Mandrax) and smoking reduce
the effect of theophylline. Asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease of
the airways characterized by reduced airway patency, which is regulated
by bronchodilators such as beta-antagonists, and by the infiltration of
inflammatory and immune cells, which now are treated by orticosteroids.
Theophylline was used in the treatment of asthma for over 70 years, but
its use has recently declined, as inhaled corticosteroids have become
the mainstay of asthma control. Smoking of cigarettes, and Brian was a
smoker, has a profound effect on theophylline metabolism. There is a
dose-related increase in theophylline clearance, with heavy smokers
metabolizing theophylline twice as fast as nonsmokers. Therefore the
inhalers become less effective and usually a smoker will require more
hospitalizations for asthma related respiratory problems.
The newer brochodilaters were not patented in
England until April of 1969 and it is doubtful that Brian was prescribed
the newer inhalors that were the predecessors to the albuterol that we
use now that would have worked better with less side effects than the
theophylline. Theophylline was not as effective or fast acting as the
bronchodilators used today or the one patented in 1969. Even if an "inhalor
was found by the pool", this inhaler probably would have been too,
little too late with the ingestion of the mandrax. If the stimulant in
Brian's body was the methaqualone with diphenhydramine hydrocloride then
the amount ingested was more than enough to cause a lethal reaction.
However, here is the problem - people normally
don't knowingly take that much of the drug at one time. That would have
been equivalent to over 3 or 4 adult doses. The question came up, "did
Brian knowingly ingest that many pills". Maybe he forgot how much he
took because of the alcohol; or did someone slip him something extra to
make sure he fell asleep, not knowing that this could potentially kill
him. I mean, when you think about it, the solicitor raised a good
question, why would someone knowingly swallow that many pills.
Since I had some time to kill, we researched the
drugs, their toxicity both with and without alcohol, and how a person in
water could have reacted with these drugs in their system. 95% of
diphenhydramine is broken down by the liver in the system. If the liver
is not functioning properly the diphenhydramine would take longer to
breakdown intensifying the effect of the drug causing intensified
drowsiness, which is side effect of this chemical. Brian's liver was
enlarged and showed signs of fatty degeneration, believe it or not this
is one of the side effects of the mandrax.
Next chlorine is used as a bleaching agent. A
person's hair gets lighter when exposed to chlorine in a pool for a long
period of time. This could be intensified with prolonged exposure to the
chlorine rather than short intermittent bursts, i.e. diving and coming
up. Also, a person who has color treatment on their hair, such as
highlightener (sp), would be affected by chlorine at a faster rate since
the hair was already chemically treated. Basically, there is a good
possibility that Brian was in the pool for hours before anyone noticed
that he was in the pool, which would account for his already color
treated hair being lightened further. This would discount Anna's story
that she just went into the house for a phone call. She probably was in
the house for a much longer period of time.
People have been known to be resuscitated after
several hours underwater. In my understanding from going through CPR
classes that currently we use the Heimlich manoeuvre to rid the lungs of
water. In the 60s this was not a taught procedure. There was a 60% or
higher death rate in drowning victims where CPR was used. It was not
until the mid to late 80s that the Heimlich manoeuvre was adopted to rid
the lungs of water (the lungs fill with water in more than 90% of
drowning victims) and the death rate has significantly dropped. The Red
Cross did not adopt the use of the Heimlich manoeuvre in drowning
victims until the 90s. Again, too late to help Brian. However, even with
the Heimlich manoeuvre, due to the amount drugs and alcohol in Brian's
system, he may still have died for several reasons, one being
regurgitation which is one of the key reason's causing death in drowning
victims.
These are just some of the things we researched.
Further, we researched asthma and the views on asthma in the 50s and
60s. These views would affect the Jones views on asthma and the way they
approached their son. During the history of asthma, there was a brief
period during the 50s and early to mid 60s where doctors believed asthma
was primarily a psychosomatic illness. During this time period, people
never questioned the words of doctors. Not just the Jones, but many
people who believed this about asthma, would treat the sick children as
if it was their fault they had asthma and they made the children believe
it was their fault they were sick, that they, the children, could
control the illness if they were good. (There are many people still in
counselling today over these views.) However, in the mid to late 60s
asthma research got back on track, and asthma was recognized as a
chronic disease of the airways. However, this changed view was too late
to change all the advice given to Brian's parents and change the way
Brian grew up. A lot of the reason Brian's parents treated him the way
they did, is they believed that Brian was making himself sick. True, a
person who has asthma can get worse as studies show that increased
stress emotionally can cause inflammation and depressed immune process
in asthmatics. Brian in turn rebelled against his parents' strict
treatment causing more tension and stress. During that time period the
link between smoking and increased asthma difficulties wasn't known.
Evidence shows that Brian's father may have also smoked. What we now
know is that there is a single gene that directly causes up to 40% of
asthma cases and multiple genes that have a tendency to develop asthma.
Was the way asthmatics were treated right? In my opinion, no. However,
many people from all walks of life, hid the fact that their kids had
asthma and/or isolated them as they did not want people to know their
child was "mentally ill" as a lot of asthmatics were considered at the
time.
As a side note to Trevor: by strange coincidence,
when I returned home, someone (from south England) approached me and
figured out (or knew) who I was. This was strange, and I am not sure how
he obtained this information as I had not spoke with anyone concerning
my inquiries. He indicated he had been in my area for several weeks and
that he had spoke with everyone he came here to see. He then was trying
to wheedle out information from me which I found strange. After a brief
exchange he indicated to me that he sometimes checked the "Brian"
boards. Had he asked directly or explained his rational for his queries,
I would have told him my initial purpose in the Gloucestershire area. I
may have given him the answers he was looking for, had he not been
trying to get the info in a roundabout way.
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including the right of reproduction in whole or in part in any form,
including electronic means, without written permission of the author.
Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.
LYMJL
Message 167 - Sunday 3rd July 2005
Chlorine water turns highlighted blonde hair a
darker yellowy-green color, not a paler blonde, which is why chlorine is
to be avoided as much as possible to maintain the blonde.
I'm not sure what you are inferring from your
research on Anna; she was pregnant with Brian's child but miscarried. I
wouldn't make any assumptions about her being seen with the builders.
Personally I believe Anna. She may have seen other people, but so was
Brian, and he may have decided eventually he wants to settle down. There
was a reference in a book, I think it was Who Killed Christopher Robin,
to a fetus being found in the pool...no one seems to discuss that, don't
know what to make of that. I don't think Brian died from asthma or
drugs, but maybe some drugs were given to him unknowingly that
night...slipped into his drink, which would make it easy to drown him.
Clearly there are some people connected with Keylock/ stones
organization or those there that night who monitor msg boards related to
Brian; maybe that's who was sniffing around for info.
Miss U.
Message 168 - Tuesday 5th July 2005
From the Gloucestershire Echo.
(No doubt Anna is still fearful for her life if she
were to disclose the truth, and is under Keylock's control. Anyone
astute enough to notice that Anna says in the article she thinks the
investigation should be reopened? If she really believed Frank killed
Brian & that's all, she wouldn't have asked for the investigation to be
reopened!!)
09:30 - 04 July 2005
Wild rock star Brian Jones, founder of the Rolling
Stones, was murdered, the woman who was to become his wife insisted last
night.
The killer was an East End builder with London
underworld links, said Anna Wohlin, the rock star's live-in lover.
The fashion company boss broke her 35-year silence
last night, as a statue in honour of the icon was unveiled in his home
town of Cheltenham.
And, in her first interview, Miss Wohlin said: "I
loved Brian. He was the love of my life. When he was killed my world
changed in an instant.
"I had everything and then I had nothing. He was
murdered. It wasn't fair on me, I was a young girl at the time, and it
wasn't fair on his family.
"Least of all it wasn't fair on Brian because
people said all kinds of things that weren't true.
But they weren't there. I was." The Western Daily
Press tracked down Anna in the prosperous suburb of Bromma, on the
outskirts of Stockholm in her native Sweden.
For the past three decades, she has shunned the
limelight and refused to talk to the Press.
But, at a floating restaurant on a lake in the
archipelago, the elegant 59-year-old blonde boutique owner named
villain-cum-handyman Frank Thoroughgood as the killer.
She said the two men had been arguing over money and Jones must have
been held under water until he drowned.
"There were three of us there that night," said
Anna. "Me, Brian and Thoroughgood. I didn't kill him. I was taking a
phone call and came back to find Brian dead. I knew immediately what had
happened.
"I tried to lift up Brian's body but it was full of
water and I couldn't move him. I got to the surface and screamed for
Thoroughgood to come and help. He sauntered back slowly with a funny
look on his face and wasn't hurrying at all.
"He didn't care. He didn't show any urgency and he
was inwardly laughing at what had happened. Brian had caught him
cheating over money and repairs, and they had rowed.
"There was bad feeling and Brian had tried to
smooth it over, but I know as soon as my back was turned Thoroughgood
took the opportunity to kill him.
"Brian was a wonderful swimmer, I know that because
we always swam together. He loved the water and was so confident in it,
he wouldn't just drown. And by then he had given up drugs.
"The post-mortem examination found a small amount
of Valium and a tiny level of alcohol. I know because I was with him; he
wasn't doing drugs or much drink. He had changed by then.
"I don't make up stories now after all these years.
I haven't spoken before because people made up lies about Brian which
hurt everybody.
I know the truth because I was the only person
there. He didn't drown through natural causes.
He was drowned by being held under water and the
only other person there was Thoroughgood."
Anna says she was later threatened by the builder
to keep quiet as police conducted a low-key inquiry, and she says that,
on his deathbed more than 20 years later, Thoroughgood admitted killing
the musician.
He said: "It was me that did Brian. I just finally
snapped. It just happened."
Thoroughgood had been appointed by Rolling Stones
management to organise alterations at Jones's Cotchford Farm home.
But a month before his death, Jones had been sacked
by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, even though he had started the band.
Jones wept in his garden by a statue of Christopher
Robin.
"But he wasn't depressed," said Miss Wohlin. "He
was never down.
He was sad because it was like a divorce.
"But he realised it was time to go because he had
other things to do. The boys were going in a different direction. But
they were always fond of each other and we were even going to go as
guests of honour to the Stones concert in Hyde Park. He didn't commit
suicide and he didn't die by accident. He was killed."
Jones, out of the band, was taking a good look at
his finances and future.
He discovered Thoroughgood had been cheating on
bills and repairs and told his accountant not to pay the builder or his
team of workers.
Thoroughgood wanted £6,000 cash, enough in the late
1960s to buy a London flat. Jones put his foot down.
It angered the builder and his young workers who
despised the star because of his money, flash cars and stream of
beautiful girlfriends.
Anna found Jones spread eagled on the bottom of his
pool at their home in Sussex, on the balmy evening of July 3, 1969.
The mansion house was once owned by Winnie the Pooh
author AA Milne and the scores of acres surrounding the home were full
of pets.
Anna dived in the pool but couldn't lift his body
to the surface alone because it was filled with water.
On the poolside, she desperately tried to breathe
life into her lover and still believes he squeezed her hand as his life
finally ebbed away.
Tears well up in her eyes as she recalled: "We had
been having such a nice day. It was summer and Brian and I had been
swimming on and off all day. We were in love and the future looked so
good. In a moment it changed.
"I was 23 and suddenly I was shunted upstairs to
our bedroom with only our dog Emily for company.
"They sent a doctor but I refused to have an
injection. I was in shock and in grief. I was traumatised. My partner
had been killed and suddenly I was being taken away to London and put
into a hotel so no one could speak to me.
"The Stones' people moved me out immediately and
said I could come back for my belongings. I couldn't argue. After the
inquest they sent me back to Sweden to my parents who didn't really
understand what was happening. Remember this was 1969 and, even though
it was the Swinging Sixties, things were different then.
"I went back shortly afterwards and got into the
house. Everything had gone. There was absolutely no sign that we had
even lived there.
"Everything was hushed up and it was easy to say
Brian drowned under the influence of drink or drugs, or asthma. There's
no proof of any of that.
"Brian was killed and I think perhaps it should be
re-investigated."
Last night, Sussex Police were considering their
response.
And, later this year, a major movie, The Wild And
Wycked Life Of Brian Jones, will be released.
He deserves honour Brian Jones's girlfriend last
night applauded the unveiling of a bust of her lover.
"It's about time," said Anna Wohlin. "It should
have happened long ago.
Brian loved the town of his birth and the country
life.
"He was not the monster people make him out to be.
"I wouldn't have been with him if he was. I
remember a talented musician dedicated to his art who was changing his
life for the better. He was simply misunderstood.
"Yes, he had been a little wild as a young man, but
he was maturing when he died. He had grown up.
"And I am sure if he had been allowed to survive,
he would have gone on to take his rightful place among the country's
musical greats.
"Cheltenham should be proud of Brian. He was a huge
talent."
Miss U.
Message 169 - Wednesday 6th July 2005
I hope this movie is positive but I doubt it. I
would MUCH rather see a documentary about all this. I hate that Mick and
(especially) Keith get so much undue credit.
Mike Elder
Message 170 - Wednesday 6th July 2005
Re-- Brian's statue, I just have to comment: would
some vandal kindly paint it black?
It looks like Marvin the Martian, LOL.
https://www.looneystore.com/images/mmfacemag.jpg
Miss U.
Message copied over to new forum - The Bust of
Brian Jones - Keith (webmaster)
Message 171 - Thursday 7th July 2005
Two questions
1 when is the tv show about brian jones gonna be
aired on uk tv,
2 whats happened to the guest book?
3 Are there gonna be new photos of the fan cub day
for this year (july 05)
Oop s there were 3 questions
Jason Seymore
In answer to question 2 - guestbookworld.com who
host our guestbook facilities have recently changed their server and
will have have our guestbook up and running shortly. - Keith (webmaster)
Message 172 - Thursday 7th July 2005
I would like to know what other people think of
that Bust of Brian? It looks more like Jimmy Saville. No disrespect to
Jimmy but he his over 60.
It's awwwwwwwwwful
Ann
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Brian Jones - Keith (webmaster)
Message 173 - Thursday 7th July 2005
Hello Brian fans,
It's funny that you ask someone to Paint it black
Miss U - yesterday I was saying to my friend; no colors anymore I want
to paint it black! Just saw the cartoon link & my friend & I busted up!
It makes me wonder if the guy who made it used an earlier bust he was
commissioned to do but didn't finish & just flopped a yellow helmet on
it - My friends & I still can't comprehend that they actually went thru
with the ceremony - like what were they thinking - I am surprised that
no one said Hell no! & saying who the Hell is that! when it was shown
before the unveiling - someone had to see it prior to the unveiling???
Now don't any of you Brian fans get any funny ideas about using sledge
hammers & spray paint - I wonder how long it's gonna last? It doesn't
look anything like Brian & is an insult really. It'll be nice when the
guest book is back - A decent statue of Brian should be made & put in
Hyde Park.
True Brian Fan - Kevin.
Message copied over to new forum - The Bust of
Brian Jones and the Guestbook is now back on line - Keith (webmaster)
Message 174 - Friday 8th July 2005
Further to Miss U's message #168, follow this link
(I Know Who Killed Rolling Stone Brian) to read how South West England's
provincial newspaper, the Western Daily Press reported Anna Wohlin's
recent interview.
Trevor
Message 175 - Friday 8th July 2005
Hi There
Does anyone know if Brian's estate has received
royalties from his recordings with the stones since his death?
And if there is an estate , did it give permission
regarding the film etc??????
Gary
Message 176 - Sunday 10th July 2005
Maybe "Stoned" should have hired Johnny Depp.....
****** Depp found Willy Wonka's hairstyle in Brian
Jones of the Rolling Stones. **********
I was making little sketches about what might be
right for the character and I did this kind of strange, almost Brian
Jones bob and super-short bangs.
Because (Willy) obviously has lived in this
self-induced isolation and he's removed himself from the modern world.
Therefore his line of reference would be very, very dated. Maybe he
locked himself in a room with a stack of Herman's Hermit records - and
that became a part of the speech. The way that he talked would be very,
very dated, like when he talks jive to one of the kids.''
Miss U.
Message 177 - Saturday 16th July 2005
Read this headline from a paper in London (and
confirmed on the web - Trevor) and tell me this is not suspicious and
worrying. This could be the spark we need to prove there is a link to
the death of Brian and the other Stones.
Two stable hands for Rolling Stones rocker CHARLIE
WATTS have been found dead in mysterious circumstances near the
drummer's English country farm.
Poles NORBERT BEDNOSKY, 26, and KRYSZTOF KWIECHIEN,
41, were discovered drowned in a pond a few miles away from the Get Off
My Cloud hit maker's stud farm in Torrington, Devon.
Police report the men were last seen on Sunday
evening (26th June) while riding two horses through the nearby Elder
Park.
Officers believe the pair stopped at the pond to
cool the horses and decided to have a swim. Fellow employees from Watts'
farm found the horses tied to a tree next to the pond and called police.
The bodies were found on Tuesday (28th June).
Devonshire police have not ruled out foul play.
Mr Worried
Message 178 - Saturday 16th July 2005
Read the interview with Anna in the paper, she now
has said it was only her Frank and Brian there on the night??? What
happened to Janet Anna? She has sold her story to the press..... and it
is full of holes, just like her book. Tell the truth Anna, who was there
on the night Brian died?
Let me help you - Frank, Tom, Janet, Elan, Nicholas,
Mo, Dave.
Can anyone name a few others I've missed.
Gary Wilson
Message 179 - Monday 18th July 2005
In response to Gary Wilson's post...most likely you
are leaving out Tom Keylock. It's virtually a certainty he was there as
the drive from Redlands to Cotchford is something like 2-2 1/2 hours.
How would he even know anything had happened if he wasn't nearby? And
although Mary Hallet the housekeeper was certainly not a party to the
deed, I've always believed she knew far more than she was allowed to
say. (she and her husband Les, were put under "contract" by.. guess who?
Keylock and his friend Reg Pippet . They had this couple believing they
could say nothing about that night without prior approval from them,
although there were a few times that Mary let things slip in interviews
and with individuals who spoke with her.
As for Anna...she is so full of lies it's
ridiculous. So very much she conveniently "doesn't remember" that I
sometimes wonder if she was there at all. If the "love of my life" was
killed every detail would be seared into my memory. If her only reason
for writing her book was so Brian's sons would "know the truth", she
could have done that privately. It's not like they're unapproachable or
unreachable.
Gerry Seda
Message 180 - Monday 18th July 2005
It amazes me that some folks are so insightful
about Mary but can't understand that Anna Wohlin is also not free to
speak her mind or to speak the full truth, as she is also under the
control of Keylock. There is so much Anna bashing as it is on the
internet because of this black & white thinking, such a shame. Anyone
who has read Anna's book knows the reason she wrote it, and she has
stated herself in the book her reasons, for the sake of his family and
also for his reputation among everyone. Let's not put false words in her
mouth out of some kind of jealousy. Her story is not entirely true, but
not entirely false either.
She cannot tell the full truth out of fear for her
life; can you grasp that concept once and for all? Let's keep the anna
bashing to that one board over there.
Brian Jones fan #666
Message 181 - Saturday 23rd July 2005
Hi! Wow this is really getting interesting here! I
was wondering if they are going to exhume the remains and reopen the
investigation yet. I believe Anna Wohlin. Even though the first part of
her book sounds a little like a Harlequin Romance novel I believe she is
telling the truth. If Frank Thorogood is so great how come he, Anna,
Janet Lawson, and Brian were the only ones there when Brian died? Surely
the girls did not do it, so who did? When Brian and Frank were
disagreeing about money, who do you think stole his belongs and burned a
lot of them in the first place? Maybe they felt since he was "causing
trouble" about the money and their workmanship so perhaps they wanted to
"get even" and make his death look like an accident, then get in the
house right away, steal what they wanted, and get rid of the rest. Why
did his stuff get stolen and burned in the first place? Think about all
the problems Brian had with Frank and his crew. Since it was not
indicated as a crime scene at the time, they had to get in there and get
what they wanted and dump the rest to get "what was coming to them" and
more. This is NOT about Anna, but about Frank, his crew and the rest of
the people if there were any who may have played a part in his demise.
Could it be that Frank paid off Tom Keylock, Janet Lawson, and his crew
to keep quiet? Maybe Anna could have been in the bars/clubs with the
crew but this could have been before all the anger against Brian really
started to come out and maybe way before anyone actually realized Brian
was being exploited. Let us not forget that the construction crew was
allegedly switching tiles on the roof around and getting stuff off the
road to put on the roof, and what about the beam that fell in the
kitchen and almost killed or injured Anna?
The crew (and Frank?) were drinking all day and
goofing around with each other and supposedly with Brian. In my opinion
there was some definite problems with the drowning, and until we are
able to find out exactly what happened that night, we can only speculate
if anything. For all we know Brian and Frank or whomever may have gotten
into a brawl in the pool and Frank punched him one. But I would like to
know if they plan to exhume the remains or not.
I hope at some time they do find out what actually
happened as I really want to know as much as anyone can find.
Thanks to all for the great commentary and
thoughts.
Linda
Message 182 - Tuesday 2nd August 2005
Its cool to see so much passion out there when
talking about the much missed Brian Jones. I must say though, I find the
constant discussion regarding the film a bit well, wearing now. Its been
in the stage of 'release' for so long, one can only assume that maybe
even this film isn't allowed' to touch on the subject of Brian being
murdered!! - I mean its not like the truth has ever been allowed to be
spoken of. Maybe these powers of be still have there hands around the
necks of anyone daring to point the finger.. or maybe its just a case of
lack of support for the project.. I can believe in both possibilities.
I think its important on this fan club forum that
we continue to discuss what matters. Brian matters. The film doesn't.
Maybe its contents will provoke a reaction and open up a possible new
case into his death but if it doesn't, we Brian's fans can surely not be
surprised. If after all these years the remaining (extremely wealthy)
stones cant be bothered to clear their founders name - is there much
hope? All I can say is, as a twenty something fan of Brian Jones - I
along with many others my age will make it our business to respect and
remember the man who had more talent himself than the collective modern
music business has as a whole today.
Film or no film - we know the truth. As for that
hideous Bust?? my nephew could've done a better job with his play-doh.
Surely it wasn't the work of a fan??
LaneyJones
Message 183 - Thursday 4th August 2005
#666 Lets talk about ANNA bashing, would that be
the same as Stones Bashing? Go back to July 2nd 1969 and take the story
from day 1. Trace it through the yrs, and oh my we DO have some
discrepancies. I think a lot of people are very disappointed in her
because she had the chance to tell the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth, but the truth was not in that book! First off, if a person is so
afraid for their life and being threatened to keep quiet then why on
earth would that person WRITE A BOOK TO BEGIN WITH! If that was me I'd
hide and hope they thought I had died, I sure as hell would NOT come out
and write a book about something I am afraid for my life over!
I almost felt sorry for her when I read her book
but ya know what, the facts as she puts them don't add up! I had to
begin to ask WHY did she write this book. The lady basically lost all
her credibility when she wrote that book! Why would she want to put
things straight for his family??? They don't seem to give a dam about
Brian.
His kids? Well she could have told them privately
anything she had to tell them instead of putting it in a book, and some
of the things in the book about their relationship and personal times
together in bed didn't need to be told to his family or children anyway.
I think it's kind of cold anyway to put a message to Brian's kids in a
book the whole world can read! I think this book was written purposely
to throw people off, not to help. I wonder if Keylock helped her write
it, he seems to have his hands in everything that has to do with Brian
these days.
I don't feel sorry for her, she's not the one who
lost her life, Brian did. There is something wrong with hers and
everyone else's story that was there that night. If you want to feel
that she's so sweet and innocent than that's your right, but not all
people think like you do about her so respect that fact and stop saying
she's being bashed, she knew what she was getting into when she wrote a
book.
pam.b
Message 184 - Thursday 4th August 2005
Yes, the film has been in 'release' for a while now
but they're probably waiting for a right time to bring it out or
something, having been in contact with the film company I've been told
the release should be around the beginning of November. There was also
something about Edinburgh festival mentioned, but not sure about that
Clive
Message 185 - Monday 8th August 2005
Just a quick response to Tony Stock's message (2
July).
Frank was very ill as a child which resulted in his
near blindness. He may have told you this but I never knew of him
getting into fights at all.
Mark
Message 186 - Wednesday 10th August 2005
Woolley rolls 'Stoned'
By ADAM DAWTREY
Sunday, August 7th, 2005
Source: Variety
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117927093?categoryid=1246&cs=1&s=h&p=0
Maverick British producer Stephen Woolley spent a
decade developing his project about the mysterious death of Rolling
Stones guitarist Brian Jones before deciding that he was too immersed in
the material to let anyone else direct it. Now Woolley and sales company
Intandem Films have decided to handle the U.K. release on Stoned
themselves after being underwhelmed by interest from other distributors
following the pic's screening in the Cannes market.
Intandem, supported by the film's financier Paul
White of Audley Films, will distribute the movie in partnership with
Rupert Preston at Vertigo Films. Woolley, who spent many years in
distribution as co-founder of the iconic '80s outfit Palace Pictures, is
centrally involved in planning the campaign.
"It's my passion, and it had to be my passion to
take the step to direct it," Woolley says. "There isn't a stone I will
leave unturned to get the right theaters, the right kind of coverage.
Whoever would be distributing this film would not have enough money to
pay me to go away. It's in my nature to see this thing through to the
bitter end."
"It's a natural progression for me in the same way
as it was for me to distribute Company Of Wolves, which I produced," he
explains. "Without wanting to sound like a megalomaniac, what I'm hoping
to do is to breathe life into something that I used to do before at
Palace, which is British drama."
"I had to four-wall theaters for Company of Wolves,
even for Mona Lisa, " he recalls. "It's much easier for a British genre
film or a comedy to succeed than a drama that's historical, and this
film will need an awful lot of work. This is a more positive way forward
than being saddled with a half-hearted distributor who is afraid of the
cynicism of the critics and public about British films."
It's a model that Intandem topper Gary Smith is
exploring in other territories such as Germany, where a similar deal is
being negotiated with VCL and Warner. Smith says he would even consider
such a partnership arrangement in North America.
"If someone comes with a sensible offer for the
U.S., of course we'd sell it," Smith says. "We're screening it for
people in L.A. at the moment, and we've had offers, some in seven
figures. But we think we can make more than that by doing it ourselves,
particularly on DVD."
With the U.K. release on around 60 prints scheduled
for November, following a world premiere later this month at the
Edinburgh fest, Smith is keen to get the movie out Stateside at the same
time.
"The Rolling Stones are touring America from
September to the end of the year, and there aren't a lot of movies that
can benefit from a major rock tour going on at the same time," he says.
Pic has its North American premiere in Toronto.
Stoned stars Leo Gregory as Jones and Paddy
Considine as the builder whose intense relationship with the doomed
rocker may have led to his death.
Message 187 - Tuesday 16th August 2005
She's clearly being bashed over & over. And as I
indicated in my last letter, her reasons for writing the book were
detailed in the book; it was for the sake of Brian's reputation and not
just for his parents and his kids. You presume she has contact with his
parents and kids; she does not.
Of course she is fearful for her life and can't
speak freely. That's why what she wrote in the book is part false, and
part true. There are some people who control what she can and cannot
say, but now & then a glimpse of the truth slips out, if paying
attention. She's not such a bad person as made out to be, and she
certainly didn't kill Brian!
Brian Jones Fan #666
Message 188 - Wednesday 17th August 2005
Peace & Love Stephen for doing this film. It is
something that should have been done long ago. I am a NEW YORKER that
has seen 100 stone shows and owns EVERYTHING {albums - books -videos -
etc. they have ever done. I went to England in 94 and visited Brian's
East Grinstead mansion, and was given a tour of the home. The gentleman
was very polite and even gave my wife and I a spot of tea. I have always
felt very close and connected to Brian and that day in his former home
MAGNIFIED my spiritual involvement with this legendary creature of
musical most hippness. So Stephen, please make certain to do the best
you can in this project-most of the masses are unaware of the huge
contribution Brian had to the most famous rock band in history. For
instance, besides people on this website, how many people know Brian
played: the flute on ruby tuesday - the sitar on paint it, black - the
marimbas on under my thumb - dulcimer on lady jane - organ on 2000 man -
harp on on with the show - sax and mellotron on dandelion - brass on we
love you - autoharp on you got the silver - slide guitar on no
expectations - flute and slide on jigsaw puzzle - etc. Brian gave me so
many turn-ons musically, visually, fashion, the way he spoke, I just
want people to know how cool he was and the impact he made on the 60,s
generation. Love on all who read this.
Steve
Message 189 - Thursday 18th August 2005
666 Message 187: Lets get one thing straight here,
Once she wrote that book what on earth did she think would happen? There
was all this hype about her book coming out claiming she was gonna
reveal that Brian was murdered and blah blah blah. News flash of the
year "WE ALREADY KNEW THAT"! I didn't presume that she knew Brians
parents or children, in her book there's a letter to his parents and she
said she met Brian's father coming out of the Stones office after she
came back from Sweden, and by the way if you think Bill Wyman always
tells the truth, think again because in his book he said she was put on
plane and left England never to be heard from again????
Hears another news flash for you, If Frank did it
then why is she so afraid for her life...he's dead he can't hurt her,
This screams loud and clear that, Frank ISN'T the one responsible for it
now is he? People aren't bashing her, they are just pointing out all the
flaws in her story, which she can put an end to anytime by just telling
the truth. Did she forget that the police need witnesses and reasons for
re-opening case? She states that the case needs to be re-opened, then
hey what are you waiting for Anna just give them what they need!
pam.b
Message 190 - Thursday 18th August 2005
666 one more thing. The only reason I can think of
for someone who is deathly afraid for their lives to write the book she
did is because she was threatened or forced to write it. NO one in their
right mind would write a tell all book on their own if they feared for
their life.
pam.b
Message 191 - Friday 19th August 2005
Hi My name is Gary Wilson and I have been
contributing to the forum since day one, I have not been on for a while.
I would like to agree with Pam b, I think that Anna
could and should have come clean over the events and people present at
Brians death. She wrote the book for MONEY and probably did incriminate
certain people but would have been sued so the editors would have made
her tone it down and change it, after all now that Frank is dead he
can't sue.
Maybe once Tom Keylock dies she will write a new
and updated book on how she has remembered that " Tom was there after
all"
I think a very important person that not to many
people have spoken about on the forum is Joan Fitsimmons, she was the
taxicab driver who helped clear the farm prior to the police being
called, she was badly disfigured not long after Brians death (some one
threw acid in her face, she moved abroad not long after).
Why did the film go down like a knackered
escalator? Well if you want my opinion, it's because no one is really
bothered these days on what happened to Brian other than us macabre
people who like a murder mystery, lets be honest, if he was alive and
touring with the Stones now we would not be talking about the guy.
Keiths story is just as long and entertaining but we don't really care.
It's like all the other dead sixties rock stars stories, full of
mystery, Keith Moon, Jimi Hendrix, mama Cass, Janis Joplin, they had
something non of us have, but wasted it with drink and drugs.
On a lighter note, why don't the Sussex police re
open the case and bring all the suspects up on oath?
Gary Wilson
Message 192 - Saturday 20th August 2005
For many people, her book WAS news. Not everyone is
a devout Brian fan. And her book is still different in some crucial
ways. Even many stones fans still don't have a clue. Of course she is
fearful for her life, and of course her book didn't tell the full truth
for that reason...and because she is under their control. Out of fear
for her life, she is basically their puppet. That book was heavily
edited. There is no way it would be released if Anna had her way and
told the full truth. As long as she cooperates with Keylock and does
what is asked of her, then her life is safe. Many people who were there
that night have been intimidated into silence. But then there was
Fitzgerald, who has since vanished from the face of the earth for
writing what he saw. I know Anna's heart is in the right place. Has it
occurred to you Anna can't go to the police and tell the truth, because
her very life is at stake???!!! How can you judge her in that case?
Aren't you asking a little too much. Maybe she should just die for
Brian, who is already dead. Many others who were there that night still
don't come forward to anyone!! So save some of your outrage for them,
and for those who knew Brian, were his so-called friends, and say
nothing about him. Of course Frank isn't the whole story, and I don't
believe it is. The whole story cannot be printed.
Brian Jones Fan #666
Message 193 - Sunday 21st August 2005
One more thing~~~~
I don't recall ever commenting on Bill Wyman, but
here goes~~ Bill was his friend, and has done much in a positive way for
BJ's memory in his books Stone Alone & Rolling W The Stones. Of course
Bill cannot state the truth about Brian's death, if he does know the
truth. No one can print the truth, no movie can show the truth. Get it?!
So maybe don't expect that. Pam b, your time would be better served in
spreading the love of Brian in a positive light, instead of this endless
pointing fingers of blame at those close to him who cared for him. And
if I'm entitle to my opinion as you stated so far back, then this
shouldn't be going on & on as it does on that other board of yours where
this pointing fingers is an everyday occurrence.
The investigation will bring the truth out, you
just need to be patient. Like my fortune cookie said last night at
supper "The law may sleep but does not die."
Brian Jones Fan #666
Message 194 - Sunday 21st August 2005
And to quote Jase on LARS:
"Woolley also mentioned that although Anna and
Keylock were both consultants to the film they had no wish to see each
other as they had always disliked each other - the feelings are probably
stronger in Anna's case.
I think the reason Anna came out of the woodwork is
because Woolley had tracked her down and if he could track her down then
anybody could- better to get her story out there.
I now think people should go a bit easy on Anna and
Janet...they were both scared for their lives (Janet still is) and were
tracked down.
As I said in the main post look at the subtext,
that's where the truth is. If they had told us the whole truth we would
have no film at all."
Brian Jones Fan #666
Message 195 - Sunday 21st August 2005
I saw Stoned at the Edinburgh Film Festival, I knew
very little about Brian Jones beforehand and it made me very keen to
find out more - which is why I logged onto this site. I have to say I'm
really surprised at all the negative comments on the forum about this
film. Surely as fans you want to keep Brian Jones alive in people's
memory. I can't think of any better way than a movie which will
hopefully reach a large audience and will encourage people such as
myself to find out more about him. For the record the film is excellent,
and the attention to detail is amazing, on the night I saw it the
auditorium was full and the response was fantastic. Brian Jones is going
to get a lot of new fans from this movie so stop moaning and get behind
it.
Anonymous
Message 196 - Monday 22nd August 2005
666 You obviously know more about Anna then I do. I
don't know who you are, but I can assure you I do not think she had
anything to do with Brian's death. It's just my feeling she did not
write that book on her own and if she did it was a stupid thing to do if
she is afraid. I don't think it was for money either, considering it
would not be a best seller because 8 out of 10 people don't know who
Brian is anyway. No I don't expect Anna to die for Brian! In fact , I
don't expect anything anymore. This whole thing has gone way beyond
ridiculous anyway. How on earth do you expect me to spread the love of
Brian in a positive side when the band he created has written him out of
history!!! I don't care what Bill Wyman says about Brian, it's to little
to late. In the end if this ever gets resolved and what you say is true
I will apologize for being so outspoken about Anna. The only ones I
don't think I will ever have to apologize to is the Stones.
pam.b
Message 197 - Monday 22nd August 2005
I am looking forward to seeing the film, even if
they just show Brian's negative side, because people will know who he
was. THE FOUNDER MEMBER OF THE ROLLING STONES. I have told my
grand-children who he was and anyone who mentions THE ROLLING STONES
gets to know.
We only buy CD'S which include BRIAN.
Ann
Message 198 - Monday 22nd August 2005
Pam, anyone who reads LARS is well acquainted with
your views. If you want to effect any change, try reaching out to others
and spread the love of Brian, his music, his life and what it is that
makes you a fan.
It's a question of whether you view the glass as
half empty or half full. If you prefer to be cynical, and just complain
or point blame, without doing anything positive to make a change,
nothing will change. It's up to everyone to do what they can to make a
difference, and we can all make a difference when it comes to Brian's
memory.
"Do what you always do, and you'll always get what
you always got." Open your mind, and others will open theirs to you.
Brian Jones Fan #666
Message 199 - Tuesday 23rd August 2005
666 I forgot to say that there is a bit of
confusion here.
You refer to" that other board of yours". I assume
you mean LARS since that is the only board I post on. However It's not
my board. I just post there.
pam.b
Message 200 - Tuesday 23rd August 2005
I wonder.. you all seem to have very strong views
of the Film and its effect on the legacy of Mr Jones.... its been a few
days since the film was premiered.... did any of you actually make the
effort to go see it??? I see no evidence.
AKA Charlie
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